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On
01-Sep-2015,
G.R said:
Great website, keep up the good work . From ex Mormon to now saved biblical believer in Jesus Christ the king. Rating 
On
07-Aug-2015,
Suzanne said:
My friend, a person who has done a great deal of research on the Mormon "Church" gave me a copy of a document titled "Smithsonian Institution statement on the Book of Mormon" dated September 28, 1997, which said "Your recent inquiry concerning the Smithsonian Institution's alleged use of the Book of Mormon as a scientific guide has been received in the Smithsonian's Department of Anthropology. The Book of Mormon is a religious document and not a scientific guide. The Smithsonian Institution has never used it in archeological research and any information that you have received to the contrary is incorrect. Accurate information about the Smithsonian's position is contained in the enclosed "Statement Regarding the Book of Mormon," which was prepared to respond to the numerous inquiries that the Smithsonian receives on this topic. Because the Smithsonian regards the unauthorized use of its name to disseminate inaccurate information as unlawful, we would appreciate your assistance in providing us with the names of any individuals who are misusing the Smithsonian's name..." The other information is too long to enter here, but I would encourage anyone to write the Smithsonian regarding this response. In "Statement Regarding the Book of Mormon" it says: 1. The Smithsonian Institution has never used the Book of Mormon in any way as a scientific guide. Smithsonian archeologists see no direct connection between the archeology of the new World and the subject matter of the book. 2. The physical type of the American Indian is basically Mongoloid, being most closely related to that of the peoples of eastern, central, and northeastern Asia. Archeological evidence indicates that the ancestors of the present Indians came into the New World--probably over a land bridge known to have existed in the Bering Strait region during the last Ice Age--in a continuing series of small migrations beginning from about 25,000 to 30,000 years ago." The document has 8 paragraphs, and basically they say events in the Book of Mormon just didn't happen. This is just a former Mormon speaking, but listen to what people say in your family or the Mormon church--a lot of the words/phrases they use have been passed down, and if you point-blank ask them about them, they really cannot explain. They just know that's what they're supposed to say. Real churches don't have to do that.Rating 
On
14-May-2015,
Christopher said:
You've hit the nail on the head, regarding the overused phrase, "...and it came to pass." I immediately laughed out loud, when I read that you began to tire, after only a few pages, having noted that there's a lot of plagiarism and filler. Clearly, it's an uninspired book.Rating 
On
09-May-2015,
Andrew Johnson said:
Why do you spend your time trying time and time again to disprove us? If you want to know for yourself whether you are right or wrong, attend a sacrament meeting at a nearby chapel, and decide for yourself whether these things are true. As it is directed in James 1:5, "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him." RatingThe facts are as plain as the nose on your face...and I don't even know what you look like. Joseph Smith is a false prophet as demonstrated by the Book of Abraham hoax, the many contradictions with biblical teachings, and simple logic.
On
05-May-2015,
Stevebo said:
Is it true that Joseph Smith had claimed there were men dressed like quakers living on the moon? If so, did Neil Armstrong or Buzz Aldrin ever encounter them? I don't mean to poke fun at mormons, they seem like nice people, but how do they still rationalize the fraudulent writings of a known 19th century con man?RatingIt is true. Hard to believe, but true.
On
20-Apr-2015,
Bekah said:
Okay, I'm an ex Mormon and I agree with a large majority of the things you put on here, however, there is one thing. You talk about geological and locational such things, and how those are lies. Yes, now they are, but our earth has changed with earthquakes and other such things that change the land, so for all we know, the geological and location subjects you talked about could have been true at the time they were written yet are no longer true due to the change of the earth.RatingSignificant Geologic changes occur over millions of years, not a couple of thousand.
On
05-Dec-2014,
William said:
Actually. I'll give this a break now. Thanks. You have an interesting way of discussing. When one lie doesn't work, you try another. Let's see: ..You said Moses wrote Genesis-Nope.... You can't read Genesis literally- yet you literally quote from it yourself... A day in the bible is not a real day, it's what you say it is- Nope. A day is a day in the bible ( Gen1:16, Exo 20:9-11, Exo 34:28, Deu9:25).. Genesis is now "story telling"... It wasn't three posts ago. How do you determine facts from story telling? Are you uniquely able to do that? Or is it only whatever you want it to be, as you've displayed... While I'm at it, pointing out repeated errors... Do some actual reading and research on your own bible-- There are no eye witness writers to the character Jesus, gospel writers are unknown. They all copy the unknown Mark. Paul's letters are half fakes.... Instead of dissing Mormonism, why not apply logic to your own myth. Anyway, your method of making up stuff as you go along, is hardly conducive to a discussion. The lack of rationality on your end makes discussion impossible. I am going to take a break and hopefully you can overcome the chronic lying.RatingYou also like to twist words a bit too much to be considered an honest opponent. I did not say Moses wrote Genesis...I said most scholars believe that Moses wrote Genesis. Your challenge on the day is again limited to a literal interpretation. Where did I suggest Genesis wasn't story telling? Again, you take my comments out of context, distort them, and then claim that I'm lying. You should get a job with Hillary Clinton's campaign. You make wild claims without any support on the New Testament and claim the high ground. Do some research yourself on who's making those claims. They are probably from people as ideologically biased as yourself.
On
05-Dec-2014,
William said:
You have it right to a degree. I can't conclude god doesn't exist from the bible. One can only conclude the biblical god doesn't exist. The best way an all knowing god could communicate was to tell superstitious ancients a story... so they could write it down wrongly. That is logically absurd and simply inconceivable. If Genesis is story telling, as you say, how do you tell the difference between it and Jack in the Beanstock? The tales in Genesis are myth. The character in the bible called Jesus believes those myths. That sums up the absurdity. You are too deep in delusion to understand. You are Catholic because your parents were and where you were born. That's it. It is the same the majority of the time for Mormons, Hindus, Islam, Buddha. You can apply logic to any religion except your own. Converting deluded Mormons to another delusion is not that beneficial. There is no difference between you and Mormons. None.RatingYou sure have a convenient way of deciding the truth of something...you declare that Genesis can only be taken literally and then decide it must be false because a literal interpretation is not feasible. Typical straw man argument. You assume that God communicates with us so clearly that it was as if He talked to us face to face, and therefore, no room for error is allowed. You assume that the "superstitious ancients" had the same context to understand the world around them as you do, which they obviously didn't. Their own lack of understanding, you attribute to God, and not man, with the intent to disprove the God of the Bible rather than simply recognize the ignorance of man. Maybe a bit of bias there? You make no allowance for other interpretations of Genesis, because they must be "rationalizations" and "excuses." Hardly an objective analysis on your part. You are right about one thing. I am Catholic because my parents were Catholic. But I'm only still Catholic, because I have evaluated the evidence and come to the conclusion that Catholicism is the true Church founded by Jesus under Peter.
On
04-Dec-2014,
William said:
You are making poor excuses, that I successfully predicted you would do last post. If you weren't the same as devout Mormons, Hindus, Muslims etc, you'd see the excuses are actually laughable. There is nothing similar between Genesis and reality of science. The earth is 4.5 bil, the universe 13.5 bil. The Genesis event order is all wrong and absurd, as is everything else in Genesis. It's a bit more wrong than the boys getting a few details off, as you try to intimate. I already explained to you why a day is a day in Genesis. You are purposely deceitful. Adam was "created" supposedly on the 6th day and the 7th day god rested. Is Adam a half a billion years old? And several other reasons why a day is a day. Your "let it be light" is classic cherry picking. We have ten thousand words that end up wrong and you pick four and say that fits science! This is disingenuous and insult the sensibilities of any logical person. The book is obviously written by superstitious, unknowing, ancients.. which is why it's so obviously wrong and absurd. There is not a single piece of information in the entire bible that wasn't common "knowledge" at the time. Something correct like the earth is a sphere and revolves around the sun might help. Instead the science is wrong and testable claims are false. Your arguments are non-sensical and deceitful. You behave the same as any devout follower of Mormonism, Hindu, Islam, Buddha. In the face of blatant opposing evidence.. you make up poor excuses.RatingThey are only "poor excuses" because you continue to equate "storytelling" to a scientific record. A "day" is a period of work, so the creation of man (instantaneous in Genesis), but in reality could have taken millions of years. Maybe it is rationalization...I'm not asking you to believe in my interpretation, but that is how I view it. At the same time, you can't conclude that God doesn't exist because a literal interpretation of Genesis doesn't jive with a scientific analysis.
On
02-Dec-2014,
William said:
There is no consensus on who wrote genesis. It's unknown. There are two writer examples in the same genesis book. Two writers because of two contradictory creation accounts in the same genesis book. There is no excuse that the creation account is all wrong either. Why would god inspire complete falsehoods. There is no happy medium, because all that happens then is what you are doing... believe what you like and ignore and excuse what you don't. That's hardly a way to read a book purportedly that is god's word, because you don't have any idea what is his word and what isn't. You simply pick what you like. If god's word, or rather the superstitious ancient, is wrong here on genesis, which it is.... That is a massive problem. All that follows is endless excuses, that devout gladly give. There should be no need for excuses because genesis ends up as absurd. It's absurd and wrong because god has nothing to do with it. Ancient, unknowing men do. Apply the logic you do to Mormonism to the bible, but the devout can never do that.RatingSimilar to my comment to Klaas, many things aren't so black and white. You don't have to take Genesis literally to believe it is divinely inspired. Ancient peoples did not have the scientific knowledge that we have today, so for God to explain His creation to them in more scientific terms would be absurd...they wouldn't understand it. The way it is told is easy enough for a child to understand that God created everything. I even think the Genesis account is pretty consistent with the Big Bang theory...God said "Let there be light" and KABOOM, the universe was born. A billion years could be a day in the life of God. Try viewing the story as if you were God trying to explain the Big Bang theory to a child.
On
01-Dec-2014,
klaas said:
the dinosaurs were there before the flood, that's where most fossils come from. you will read that the earth's fountains opened. water came from below and above. that is how seashells ended up on top of mountains as they were made. where I live you can see that the layers of rock in the rocky mountains are layered sideways. fossils require time and pressure. not nearly as long as scientists will lead you to believe. you can nowadays send in your hair, other body parts and have them made into diamonds before you know it. most of what I believe comes from the bible. everything I was taught as a child has been dropped if it doesn't line up with the bible. I believe it is the bible that has maintained the true doctrines. some of those that you believe are based on tradition not scripture. where in the book of acts does it say that the disciples forgave someone's sins? the bible uses the words remit and retain. God's word will not return void. the word remit does not mean forgive, check the dictionary you will see it means to concede or allow. shaking the dust of your feet is same as retaining their sins. It is not done by the church but by the person's rejection of jesus Christ/the gospel. If it weren't for the reformation we wouldn't have Bibles in our own language and we would still need to rely on the rcc to tell us what it says(according to their interpretation). if a priest is not called by God to be a priest can he still forgive sins? if the creation story in not real, the virgin birth is unbelievable too, so is an actual hell, well then there is no heaven either, picking and choosing which scriptures are real and which are not leaves us with nothing at all. \Either we beleive God or we don't, deciding some parts of scripture are unbelievable is akin to unbelief. we all know what that means. p.s. changed rating to 4 because I appreciate this interaction which tests my beliefs. thank you. klaas RatingKlaas, it is scripture because a religion declared it to be scripture. Without organized religion, scripture would not exist. There are also other texts which were discarded as being heretical. You also can't compare the New Testament recording of events by eye witnesses to Genesis, which is a recording of events from decades to centuries to millennia before the author. The difference in the author's perspective makes it perfectly reasonable to take the account in Genesis less literally. That doesn't mean that God wasn't responsible for creation, it just means that the time He took to do it was at a much larger scale. Is a day in God's time the same as ours? Our day is defined by a rotation of the earth. How is God's day defined when He is not confined to the earth? Thanks for the kind comments though.
On
01-Dec-2014,
William said:
Well, I comment to klaas because he brought this up. The bible is total myth. The slope is indeed slippery. Six days creation, 6 thousand year old earth, Adam/Eve, Noah's flood. These are genesis myths. ( That is, erroneous, disprovable, fallacies.... myth) You are quite correct that Jesus believes the myths too and you can ask yourself what that means. The entire bible is written by ancient, superstitious men and god can have nothing to do with the erroneous, contradictory and absurd debacle. So Mormonism has the same validity as the bible. Which has the same validity as Islam or Hinduism. But every single religion claim they are right and others are wrong. And we see that reflected here in this site exactly the same..... the inability to apply logic to your own religion.RatingWilliam. There is a happy medium. It doesn't have to all be taken literally and proven true to be true. Who wrote Genesis? Most scholars believe Moses. How did history pass from generation to generation in those days...orally. To hold those stories to the same degree of accuracy as today's history books is simply unfair and unrealistic. What do we then take away from Genesis. We take away that God created man. Before that, he created the world and the rest of the universe. We'll better understand the specifics when we meet Him.
On
28-Nov-2014,
R. Raiders said:
Thank you so much! Great website. So tired of the God Nazis! Rating 
On
26-Nov-2014,
klaas said:
thank you for your answer. We do not know that the earth is as old as you say. I don't think the earth is much older than about 6500 yrs or so. It is evident from the Genesis account that Adam was created as a man, not a boy. The trees were bearing fruit, etc. A creation with maturity. To us this would seem as old when in fact it was brand new. The ages of people have been given for a reason. No man who is a sinner can forgive or retain another's sins. Matt 9:6, Mark 2:7(here the jews confess only God could forgive sins, Jesus' words here to them meant he called himself God. This was what they couldn't believe, AND THE MORMON'S DON'T EITHER), vs 10 jesus tells them he has power to forgive sins. 1 John 1:9 he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins. Eph 1:7 in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins. Col 1:14. his blood again. "to God belong mercies and forgiveness." Dan 9:9. Eph 4:32 The Ephesians were forgiven by God for Christ's sake. I can not think of any time in scripture where a person other than Christ forgives someone their sins in the same way God that GOd forgivers them all at once. We are only called to forgive those who trespass against us. This is not the same as being forgiven by God. The power to forgive and retain sins that is given to the disciples is not in themselves it is the word/bible/gospel that when preached or read or heard retains(unbelief) and forgives(belief/faith) sins. It is in Peter's confession, "Thou art the CHRIST, the SON of the Living God." Peter was blessed because the Father had revealed this unto him. No persons or church organizations have this power in themselves, it is in the WORD (notice this is Jesus in john 1). Would you honestly trust the leaders of whatever organization you belong to to forgive you your sins. Can a Priest or Rabbi etc forgive his own sins?? (but the lay person filled with the Spirit can't??? You will not take Genesis literally but you do take Jesus words to Peter literally. I have never met a person who I could trust to forgive my sins, other than Jesus. We have the Bible to keep us in the truth. The gates of hell will not prevail against the church. This word \church refers to the body of believers not an organization full of men who all have different ideas. And tragically have embarrassingly sinful histories of which Jesus says it would be better if a millstone would be hung around their necks and they be thrown into the sea. Mormons/JW/RC/protestants/BAPtists all believe in their own church. But it is the believers who are the real church. The bible is the word of God that should direct us all because it is perfect restoring the soul, not any organization. (Psalm 138:2, God has magnified His word above all) The bible no where teaches us to come to priests or pastors anywhere. Jesus actually says, "Come unto me, all ..." psalms says, "call upon Me in the day of trouble and I will answer.". I can't think of any new testament person confessing sins to Peter, Paul or Mary. Peter himself says of Jesus "To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins." He never once encourages us to come to himself, rather he encourages us to believe in Christ for the remission of sins. Acts 10:43. To summarize it up we do not need priests etc, and would be foolish to trust in them, they were only a symbol in the old testament, here is Hebrews 4:14-16 SEEING THEN THAT WE HAVE A GREAT HIGH PRIEST, THAT IS PASSED INTO THE HEAVENS, JESUS THE SON OF GOD, LET US HOLD FAST OUR PROFESSION. FOR WE HAVE NOT AN HIGH PRIEST WHICH CANNOT BE TOUCHED WITH OUR INFIRMITIES; BUT WAS IN ALL POINTS TEMPTED LIKE WE AS WE ARE, YET WITHOUT SIN.(UNLIKE EARTHLY PRIESTS TODAY) LET US THEREFORE COME BOLDLY TO THE THRONE OF GRACE,(NOT A PRIEST) THAT WE MAY OBTAIN MERCY, AND FIND GRACE TO HELP IN TIME OF NEED. RatingKlaas, how do you explain the dinosaurs and everything that has been found since their time? Please don't tell me that God put fossils in the earth 6500 years ago to cause confusion...that would be deceitful. On priests forgiving sins: John 20:21-23: This is Jesus talking... "Peace to you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you."22 When he had said this, he breathed on them. And he said to them: "Receive the Holy Spirit.23 Those whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them, and those whose sins you shall retain, they are retained." "As the Father has sent me, so I send you": Jesus is telling them to do exactly what He did. He is also empowering them to do the same things: heal the sick, forgive sins, spread the good news of Christ's resurrection. That is exactly what they do and that is what is recorded in the Acts of the Apostles. Also priests do not forgive themselves. They go and confess their sins to other priests. One final thought. If we didn't have the actual church, we wouldn't have the Bible as we know it or possibly, not at all. We'd also have the same discord that the church faced in its early years on what the nature of Jesus, God, who was saved, etc. Most of your beliefs and your understanding of the Bible is built on a foundation laid by the Catholic Church and the saints. That cannot be ignored.
On
23-Nov-2014,
klaas said:
thanks for your web site. it will hopefully help me deal with the Mormons in my area. if we call Genesis more myth than literal, as you did with William, you place yourself on a slippery slope. questioning scripture is like taking pieces out of the foundation in a building. everything else will crumble, the bible is the word of God, if we call it a myth it is no different than the books Mormons use. (keep in mind that to Jesus the Genesis creation account is not myth john 1) I don't understand how the church is built upon peter, isn't it built on peters confession, that Jesus is GOD, the Messiah, the Savior? since it says elsewhere in the bible that if you believe Jesus is the Christ,the Son of God you will be saved. The churches job is to preach the gospel, point sinners to jesus. to think the church/priest, etc are required for salvation is not biblical. I rate your site at 3 because you don't explain how people can be saved and have their sins washed away by the blood of Jesus. excuse my poor typing pleaseRatingKlaas, we know that the world is more than a few thousand years old, so to take the story of Adam and Eve literally is to ignore science, which I believe, is how we learn about God's creation. Jesus taught in parables to help his disciples understand deeper truths...why do you think God would not have done the same with Moses? Peter, meaning "Rock", is the rock upon which Christ built His church. You are correct that if you believe in Jesus, you will be saved. That is precisely why we need the church, in order to maintain the scriptures, clear up confusion, preach the true gospel and the truth about Christ. If you believe in a guy named Jesus, who is the brother of the devil and not really God, as the Mormons believe, then are you saved? I believe the answer is no, which is why Mormons must be shown the truth. You also forget that Jesus gave his disciples the power to forgive sins AND to retain them. He would not have empowered them in that way had He not intended us to confess our sins to them, and by extension, His priests in His church.
On
01-Oct-2014,
Suzanne said:
Growing up in the Mormon church was much like growing up in a dysfunctional family. That sounds harsh, but from the time I could communicate, I was taught (perhaps not always verbally) that I had to be perfect in thought, word, and deed. This translated to every single relationship, job, etc. in my life. Now you may say, that's not such a bad thing. Really? I cannot tell you how much energy it takes from your life always having to wonder if you've been good enough, if you've done/said just the right thing. For years, I stayed away from religion like it was the plague and tried to commit as many sins as I possibly could. Then one day, I was led to a church where I shared with the Priest some background and previous religious experience. Somehow this person said exactly what I'd been longing to hear--God loves me, warts, bad judgment, mistakes and all. Can you imagine that? I said I was interested in learning more about this religion, and this person said, if you're sure-great, but I would encourage you to go and visit other churches--shop around--if you were buying a car, you wouldn't take the first one you test drove. His words surely came from Heaven. No one had ever said that to me. Having attended the Mormon church as a child, I know that not one person in authority would ever have said such a thing. In fact, I'd hear some lame thing about me not acting like a child of God. Why? That's what I'd like to know. Is it just to get to that celestial kingdom? I don't have a direct line to Heaven, but there's one thing I feel pretty confident of--those who have tried to live a good life, who have given freely of themselves to those less fortunate without some reward, who have loved others--all those people will be in Heaven, and it won't matter one whit if they were Mormon or not.Rating 
On
30-Sep-2014,
frankthezenguy said:
I think you're a horrible person for attacking a religion that produces such wonderful, wholesome people--and I'm not even a Christian (I could be described as an agnostic zen Buddhist). Out of all the horrible hate-filled religious sects that exist today, you just had to choose the lds, huh? And what's even funnier is that YOUR religious texts and church history is just as full of holes as theirs are ( I would destroy you in religious debate, I promise--but what's the point?) Pushing the issue of authenticity to the side, If I were to rate religions by actual usefulness, I'd have to score the lds far above any other denomination as its observant members tend to be the kindest, healthiest Christians I've ever encountered. I grew up in the south, a hot-bed of Christian fundamentalism. and was pleasantly surprised when I encountered and lived amongst lds members out west--most were kind self-disciplined Christians whom practiced what they preached. I'd much rather live beside practicing/observant lds members than evangelicals any day. peaceRatingFrank, being nice is not an indicator of a true religion, though I agree that Mormons generally are very nice people...except to ex-Mormons ;) You don't determine truth based on how nice people are...what is the point of a religion except to help us get closer to God? If Mormons are steered away from God, then it is they who are hurt. My site is dedicated to showing them the truth and helping them get closer to God...how does that make me a horrible person?
On
10-Sep-2014,
Dan Langlois said:
I noticed this remark of yours in the comments section: 'These are great rhetorical questions, but if you are expecting an answer from a Mormon, don't hold your breath.' And what is this about? here: 'I have been trying to get answers to the following questions from Mormon people that I know without success. Maybe someone can help me... ' Riiight...I sat down and composed a long reply, answering each of these points, but I feel rather silly actually bothering to post it because it seems that the point of the site is not to be a source of accurate information about anything. I was born/raised Mormon. It seems to me, like there ought to be enough material on Mormonism, without the outrageous, false and cartoonish exaggerations. There's seer stones and polygamy, just for starters, and what could be more entertaining than this? Maybe I can briefly address one point: '4) Why do they claim they "take care of their own" and "look after the poor" yet they are spending in excess of $6B on a shopping mall in SLC?' Answer: when people are building something beautiful and productive I hope that's your biggest complaint. Note, I've given 5 under protest: I don't like the whole 'rate this site' game. For me, the general impact of spending some time on your site is probably not what you intended, it just makes me wonder why is it so hard to seem more reasonable than Mormons? Rating 
On
03-Sep-2014,
James Robertson said:
I agree that mormonism is a false religion. The feelings you have towards mormonism is probably the same way I feel towards catholicism. Just go by Gods Word, not by mans religion, wisdom or traditions. God bless.RatingExcept that Jesus established His church under Peter for a reason...
On
22-Aug-2014,
1Anonymous7 said:
I must say that you have created quite an impressive amount of information to share with the world, all to disprove a religion that you yourself have said creates good people. The practices that the LDS religion actually follows are very strict and lead to only good consequences, so why would you want to destroy that religion? You say that the LDS 'well' is 'poisoned', but it brings about people with standards that many would say are ridiculously strict, a higher standard. How can a poisoned well bring about clean 'water'? Water that has been cleaned more thoroughly per say. You are trying to destroy a religion (even if it is a lie) at the cost of losing such pure 'water'. You may answer my comment with 'a typical Mormon response' or 'be more specific' or 'you must not have read everything' or 'you have not made a logical claim', but I would prefer a reason for you wanting to destroy such a pure well. You created this website in the way of Lucifer. He is described to speak smoothly and to twist words. You took all the tiny mistakes -- the places where you could interpret a little bit differently -- and blew them totally out of proportion. You have not educated the world on the religion that LDS members follow, but instead created your own religion without any help or inspiration from God. If you truly and prayerfully studied The Book of Mormon, with an open heart and mind, choosing to ask God instead of following the seemingly rational explanations of Satan, and asked the elders around you for help, you may find a lot of truth to the BOM. Instead of doing this, you asked Satan, how could I 'prove' to my mind and the minds of others that the LDS church is completely wrong. Thank you for your time and God bless you. P.S. Your site is excellently organized and very clear (a little wordy), but for the sake of those looking in the comments for the LDS side, I'm going to rate your site a 1 (I'd give it a rating of 4 for quality).RatingThe purpose of religion is not to just help people be better people...it is primarily to help those people get closer to God. The fact that Mormons live very "godly" lives is what makes its deception so dangerous, because on the surface it appears that Mormons are on the correct path, but their teachings actually lead people away from the true Christ. That is how Lucifer leads people astray. The water is definitely not pure...it just appears to be. My site puts the microscope on it so that you can see the real danger inside. Remember that I started this site in High School after talking with my Mormon friends and their parents, some of whom were elders. They couldn't answer simple questions or explain significant contradictions. It was that total lack of scrutiny by my friends that drove me to compile all of this information and to put it on the internet where anyone who seeks the truth can find it. I'm glad you found it, but you need to ask yourself which is a better indicator of the truth. Logic or your feelings?
On
27-Jul-2014,
Roman Catholic woman seeking for the truth said:
Thank you so much for your site. Being Roman Catholic myself didn't see any harm in inviting 2 Elders in. They've asked me to read the Book of Mormon, which I started to do but it just didn't feel right. How is it possible that only good Mormons get rewarded after death. The religion is 'only' 200 years old. Does this mean every single human being in the 1800 years prior to the start of LDS will not receive these rewards? My main problem was that although I have a good common sense, these Elders where so convincing and knew exactly how to gain my trust, ask the right questions, say the right things that I started to doubt. What if.. After reading this page I'm convinced it's a false religion and I will definite not join. This site made my believe in the Roman Catholic church even stronger. RatingThanks for the kind words and I'm really glad my site helped.
On
23-Jul-2014,
gregg said:
These arguments presented against us, are so cliche and negligible. There is no reason to try and dismantle a religion that you don't believe to be true.RatingTypical Mormon response. Dismiss the arguments as cliché and avoid having a debate on the merits.
On
19-Jul-2014,
James said:
I'm giving a rating of 4 because I respect your willingness to put yourself out there and speak up for what you believe in, but myself being a devote Christian and having not been a member of the Mormon church at any point in my life, I feel that you are treating it's followers more harshly then deserved. Personally I have never met a Mormon that I didn't like, they just make great neighbors. But just sticking to doctrine, if you are so willing to judge with such a stiff ruler, why not do the same with Catholic or Protestant? Take our Bible for instance, the one you are using for your justifications against the Mormon doctrine. It was written either for the the Catholic church or was first written by Catholic monks for the Protestant church. And yet, if you are a Protestant then you are "Protesting the Catholic doctrine". But still you (however rightly) cling to a bible that was written by Catholics. Do you worship on Sundays? (no, I'm not 7th day Adventist either, I'm Lutheran just to be clear). Still it's a fair question, since Catholics worship on Sunday because they believe the Pope had such power to change the day. If you don't serve the Pope, by what authority do you claim? Not biblical. Polygamy, I noticed that you said the bible claims in Deut. 17:17 that Moses gave commandment not to practice it? really, if you are a fervent Christian then maybe you should start digging deeper. Like Babylonian Text deeper, the original word used where Deut 17:17 says "Neither shall you take for yourselves many wives..." is (phonetically) "nshim" which translates to "women" not wives. Whenever "wife" or "Wives" is being written of in the Original Babylonian Text (which is the most widely excepted) the word used is (phonetically again because I don't think Hebrew letters will appear properly here) "ashe". And in Hebrew they look considerably different. My point here is that I believe you are allowing your own preconceived or conditioned beliefs to get in your way of allowing God to divinely instruct you. Study the Bible, learn Hebrew, learn Greek, compare the original texts, not just what was handed down to you from Catholic Monks who had their own bias at the time of their translations and be ready to accept what you learn with a free and clear mind and heart. I'm not saying that the KJV or any of our modern Bibles are outright false, far from it. I just ended up in this place myself because of "inconsistencies" that kept coming up throughout the Bible in every translation, and I personally believe that the original writings would in no way contradict themselves. I don't pursue two or more wives this was just one point you brought up regarding Mormon's, however, even Martin Luther conceded that the Bible does not disallow it or in any way consider it a sin, however he told the Prince who asked him that he should deeply consider the reasons for why he wanted more then one wife. I think most men and women today can't even get things right with their first spouse, let alone be able to manage a "Godly" household with more then one wife. Never-the-less, While Jesus corrected the issue of Moses's divorce allowance He never, even though He had every opportunity to do so, once spoke about multiple wives. Nearly every person God ever spoke to or blessed in the Old Testament had more then one wife, so if God was really against the practice (against the practice in a Godly sense) then surely Jesus would have corrected us. I elude again to "a Godly sense" because again I don't believe even 1% of the population knows how to maintain a Godly Christian home even when they are single, and that 1% quickly drops with the first wife, and would only further drop with 2 or more. My last word on this would be that we as Christians have no problem talking reverently about the "Twelve Tribes of Israel" and yet if Jacob (Israel) had stopped at the first wife we would be talking about the 6 Tribes of Israel, and somehow that just doesn't seem to fit into God's Divine plan. In a day and age when so few real Christians are left, I'm reluctant to "unnecessarily" raise division. The Mormons doctrine I believe has it's faults but ask yourself, if a Mormon trusts in the blood of Jesus to cleanse him/her from all unrighteousness, and isn't one of those Mormons 200 years ago that killed in the name of the Church (same can be said of 200 year old Catholics and others), but lived a good moral life, "fought the good fight" against the sins of their own flesh basically all the doctrine that Jesus and His apostles laid down and repented when they messed up, would they not be saved? I believe they will be and much quicker too then those of denominations that now openly disregard sins that they choose to overlook, like homosexuality, divorce and remarriage 2,3,4,5 times, prenuptial agreements, how can someone go into a church and ask God's blessing on their marriage when they know in their own heart they have put into place a "back door clause" in the marriage agreement? and how can any Pastor/Priest/etc. stand their and marry them if he has this knowledge? Would the apostle Peter have married such a couple? When Mormons come by I invite them in, I get to share my faith at the same time, and isn't that what we Christians are called to do? And their is no reason to be harsh towards them or anyone, as I have seen some of the responses given here. Rating 
On
07-Jul-2014,
richard mcginnis said:
have you looked into a book called the first book of napoleon? i have watched a video on youtube that reveals a computer program that disects the book of mormon and reverses it somehow back into the books it came out of maybe check into it and finally destroy this lie for goodRatingHaven't heard of it...I'll look into it.
On
05-Jul-2014,
Ginger said:
One thing I noticed you hadn't talked about on the site is the "Plan of Salvation" that Mormons teach. Maybe something to add?RatingThanks for the suggestion, Ginger. Having not been a member myself, I don't have much information on what is actually taught. Perhaps you could provide the information and any references.
On
24-Jun-2014,
Jacob good said:
Hi there, I'm technically nondenominational christain but I still go to a church... We preach from the holy bible ummm niv I believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross for all of our sins so we would be spared from the fathers wrath. My church believes in the trinity. Umm I cant quote what book it's in since I'm new to Christianity still... Um anyways the real question is am I saved even though I'm technically not a catholic... This question may seem dumb or immature, but I really like this site and I value your word. Please answer backRatingAll Christians are able to be saved. Just being Christian isn't enough though, you have to live a Christian life. The difference is whether you behave on Monday thru Saturday the same way you do on Sunday. Catholics want the Christian church reunited so that all Christians can enjoy the sacraments of the church, like Holy Communion and confession.
On
19-Jun-2014,
Ryan said:
Thank you for this website! I hope that many people will use this site to get away from the poisoned well. I will defiantly talk with Mormon friends of mine about these points!Rating 
On
15-Jun-2014,
Ismael Vallin said:
Absolutely love this website, not only do you show that Mormonism contradicts the bible itself, but that it also contradicts the Book of Mormon! So Mormons are not even following their own teachings!Also you are a Roman Catholic so that makes it so much better. Its not the middle ground that is Protestantism, but the fullness that is the Church founded by Christ upon Peter, that has the authority to confess sins, exorcise demons, marry people, ect! Rating 
On
26-May-2014,
paul said:
it is impossible for Smith to have seen both personages (the Father and Christ)in that vision at the same time because throughout the bible says that the Father cannot be seen 1 timothy 6:16 and John 1:18. I wonder if Jesus came to America to teach why is there no trace of Christianity? not even evidence of that reformed egyptian language? at least some evidence of the hebrew language you might think can be found.RatingGreat points.
On
18-May-2014,
John Simon said:
This site made me laugh not because of your facts which you have stated very nicely and you did quote the book of Mormonism very well but i laughed because under the comments people started to get upset about your site claiming falseness but not doing a single thing to disprove the facts you stated.....one comment that caught my attention was where they accuse you of not having faith but what my mind went to is that you do have faith...ant to respond back to them is i have tons of faith.. but no where in the bible does god change his ways or change his mind like he does in the book of Mormon an example of this is with polygamy and with African Americans at one point they would not let them into the church until the government stepped in they can say my religion never let them in either but we did we may not have gone to the same church but we still worshiped the same god unlike morminsim where they would not let an African American touch a book of Mormon so again i just laugh I honestly love everyone like god wants me to but it truly hurts me to see people think the way they do... and thanks for this site!RatingThanks. I did try to throw in some humor here and there to keep it interesting...
On
13-May-2014,
LDS Problems said:
good job. i was going to conver to mormonism through a couple of missionaries but you showed me the way. When I told my Missionaries these problems they only told me that is was fake and that God would agree if I prayed and asked him. It seems like they use God as a weapon in the LDS churchRatingThanks for sharing. I'm so glad my information helped!
On
02-May-2014,
paul said:
Good job, do you know all the false teachings within the Catholic Religion, ttyl paulRatingPlease educate me.
On
24-Apr-2014,
Realist115 said:
First id like to say brilliant work. It wouldn't take but an infant to know Mormonism is complete trash and shouldn't even allow to continue as a church. It is a cult with contradictory beliefs and scripture. That being said all religion in itself is better viewed as poetry and stories for self betterment. In no way should any ancient writing be taken literally. If you want to be technical if you picked apart ANY religious book you could find contradictions to word, times, people, geography, and physical possibilities. I won't go too far into detailing the reason why religion fundamentally shouldn't exist but as existing it is a tool and way to keep people in check and to do good work hard and not do things that others take offence to. If we all followed the bible to a T then we shouldn't shave our beards as stated in the bible. Earth and the universe itself have been proved countless times to drastically outdate any religious accounts. Leaving reality to faith is accepting blind ignorance and nallowing yourself to see the full beauty and truth of scientific reasoning. I respect others religious views and have studied many different religions. But Mormonism is a complete joke. The people themselves are wonderful. But very cult esque. Joseph Smith should be stricken from record. He has set countless people astray from truth and that's undeniably wrong.Rating 
On
11-Apr-2014,
anonymous college student said:
First of all, wonderfully organized website. Even a Mormon can not deny that. You are extremely respectful in your exercise of free speech. I respect that, as I hope all Mormons should too. Personally I am Catholic, but I have gone on casual dates with Mormon guys. (Pointless, I know.) I truly respect their family values, social and political morals, etc. That being said, their family values, in my experience tend to not work sometimes: speed dating, marrying rights away, females are basically baby mills. To be blunt. Anyways, after much debate none of these guys could answer some of my questions. They would try to, using fraudulent writings of Joseph Smith. That was the best they could do. It's crazy to me that to this day modern day Americans accept Mormonism as truth. It seems to be all based off of "feelings". Bishops and those higher in this church hiding sketchy beliefs and religious law etc from curious Mormons is something I always hear about in my research. Great site!RatingThanks. Feelings are all they can use, because once they attempt to use logic, they come up short.
On
10-Apr-2014,
b3 mormon girl said:
Why Mormonism’s Claim is So Crazy to People March 21, 2014 By Greg Trimble 247 Comments Mormonism is either one of the biggest frauds in human history or it is the second most important thing to ever happen on this planet. Let me be clear and immediately state that I believe the most important event to ever take place on this earth was the Atonement of Jesus Christ. I know the first statement is a bold one, but let me try to explain why its true… Mormonism makes a bold claim, which is why they also take a lot of heat from other Christian religions. They believe that Jesus Christ established His Church when he was on the earth. That Paul wasn’t kidding when he said that there was “One Lord, One Faith, and One Baptism” (Eph 4:5). They believe that before Christ was killed, he bestowed the priesthood upon Peter and the apostles. (Matt 16:19) They were ordained and set apart by Christ himself. (John 15:16) That the apostles held a power that could not be purchased with money, (Acts 8) or acquired at a university. They believe that men should not be paid for their ministry in the gospel which is why they spend countless hours on missions and in various church callings without receiving any monetary gain. (1 Cor 9:18) As time went on in the first century, the apostles and the Christians were hunted and scattered by almost every group in the region. Peter was crucified upside down in Rome and Paul was beheaded after his 5th missionary journey. The other apostles met a similar fate with the exception of John the Beloved. Before the apostles died, all they did was travel and write to the various churches (who were all actually one church with different locations) in order to keep them in line. The New Testament is primarily a collection of those letters in which the apostles are trying to govern the church. With them gone and no one to lead the church, men began interpreting the scriptures for themselves and twisting the doctrine. Over time, the churches began to fall away from the truth because the apostles were not there to lead them. By 325 AD, the nature of God and the doctrine of the Christian faith was being voted on by pagans in Rome as a political maneuver rather than a religious one. Formal creeds, and a Catholic, or “Universal” church was formed as the state religion for the most powerful country in the world. If you doubt any of it, I have a 45 volume set of Ante-Nicene, Nicene, and Post-Nicene writings sitting on my shelf as a reference. (They are not written or edited by Mormon scholars.) The early Christian fathers witnessed the church fall into deep apostasy and they wrote about it. This is the primary reason for all of the great reformers who came on to the scene to “protest” (protestant) what the Catholic church was doing at the time. No one believed that Christ’s church was found upon the earth, and therefore many sought to reform what they already knew. These were righteous dudes who deserve our respect, but as sincere as they were, they did not have the power to restore the church. They tried their best according to the knowledge they possessed. Many longed for the day when Christ would restore His church and call apostles to lead that Church once again. Roger Williams, the founder of the Baptist church in America said that “there is no regularly constituted church on earth, nor any person qualified to administer any church ordinances; nor can there be until new apostles are sent by the Great Head of the Church for whose coming I am seeking.” (Picturesque America (1872) by William Cullen Bryant (1794-1878) This is where Mormons start getting crazy to people. Mormons believe that a prophet as notable as Moses or Elijah was called in 1820 to “restore” Christ’s church in it’s fullness on to this earth. They claim that God the Father and Jesus Christ appeared to Joseph Smith in North America. They claim that an ancient record called the Book of Mormon was buried in the earth and that it contains a history of some of the ancient inhabitants of North, South, and Central America. They believe that this nation was established and the revolutionary war was fought so that religious freedom could prevail. They believe that this was and is the only nation on the globe that this restoration could have taken place in because of this newfound religious freedom that had never occurred in the history of the world. They believe that the priesthood was restored, and that families can be sealed together after death. They believe that there is a prophet and 12 apostles that walk the earth today. I won’t go on but there is plenty more… greg trimble mormon But think about it for a second. If all of this is false, it would rank as one of the greatest deceptions in human history. It would give new meaning to the word hoax. BUT if this restoration did actually happen and it is true, it is the greatest message that could ever be shared second only to the message of the Atonement of Jesus Christ. IF it is true there could be nothing more exciting for the people on this planet to know at this time. It seems like an outrageous claim, but I guarantee that when Noah starting building an ark, his generation thought that was pretty outrageous as well. When a Prophet is on the earth…few ever accept him. Christ made that very clear when He said, “ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchers of the righteous, and say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would have accepted the prophets” (Matt 23:29-30) I am a Mormon for reasons other than logic, but if I was to rely on logic alone… here is my logic on the topic. Catholicism claims that they are the true church and that they perpetuated the priesthood through the generations. Therefore Catholicism claims that all other protestant and Evangelical churches are nothing but apostate off shoots of the Catholic church. So…you must think to yourself, if the Catholic church is right…and they do have the truth and the priesthood authority to lead and administer Christ’s church, then they are technically right about protestant Christianity. Any church that broke off from them or received the Bible through them cannot have the fullness of the gospel. However, if the Catholic church never had the authority and it was lost in the early centuries shortly after the apostles were killed, then none of the reformers could have the complete truth or the authority because…well…where could they have gotten it from? The only Church on the planet that could have a solid argument would be one that claims a complete restoration through a prophet that has had direct communication with God. Anything short of that would place someone in the pool of thousands of reformers that are dividing to form new Churches on a daily basis. Mormon’s make a claim equal to the almost unfathomable stories you might hear in the Bible. Prophets, apostles, miracles, additional scripture, temples, and a massive missionary force makes the Mormon church stick out like a sore thumb…and seldom do people like sore thumbs. Though it sounds a little crazy… is not a message like this worth a few minutes of consideration? I thought it was… RatingIt's crazy to people because it is so blatantly false, despite the author's desire to make it so "amazing". If the early church fell into total apostasy, then Jesus was wrong when He said He'd be with the church until the end of time and that the gates of Hell would not prevail against it. If Jesus was wrong, then He isn't the son of God and you can toss the Bible out the window as fiction. If Jesus was wrong, then there would be no purpose in restoring His church, because He would have been a fraud. If Jesus was the fraud, then that is the greatest hoax of all time. I don't believe Jesus was wrong and I don't believe the church fell into total apostasy...the fact that the author references early Christian leaders concerns about the loss of faith and the distortions demonstrates that there were Christian leaders who kept the faith on track, thus preventing a total apostasy. Joseph Smith was a fraud, a charismatic con-man, and an adulterer. He is demonstrably proven to be a false prophet in his claim to have translated the "Book of Abraham". His Book of Mormon is full of hundreds of verses plagiarized from the King James Bible, and his alleged golden plates were conveniently taken back to heaven so that no evidence of their existence remained. It's a hoax, but not the biggest ever...that, I'd give to Islam, which has over a billion followers.
On
06-Apr-2014,
Mormon and proud of it. said:
Can you explain what salt is, every little detail proving it is what it is. Most of the time you can only prove what it is not. That is like Our religion. You can't find scientific proof or even explain how you know. You just Know, and that is what faith is.RatingSalt is sodium chloride, NaCl ;) Your religion is scientifically proven false through the Book of Abraham fraud. Read and then you will really know the truth.
On
06-Apr-2014,
B3 mormon girl said:
I did not come here because I have doubts about my church, as one person has said. I went to google and typed in Mormons to see what people would find if they looked up the religion. I was astounded to find this and ignored it for some time. after That I read through the things and find how wrong he is. But that didn't matter to me. He believes one way and that's fine, but I can see what he thinks of our movies and General or state Conferences. RatingNotice that I quote the Book of Mormon to expose your fraudulent religion. If I'm wrong, then tell me where I'm wrong...be specific.
On
06-Apr-2014,
b3 mormon girl said:
If you believe Mormons are not Christians watch the movie "Day of defense." It has an amazing way of putting how we are Christians.RatingCalling yourself Christian doesn't make you a Christian...there are plenty of "Christian" cults that are anything but, including Mormonism. Acting like a Christian doesn't make you a Christian...even atheists can act in a Christian way. It is the beliefs that you profess that determine if you are a true Christian. Professing that you believe in Jesus Christ doesn't make you a Christian, especially if that Jesus Christ is different than what the Bible teaches.
On
06-Apr-2014,
B3 mormon girl said:
Watch the General Conference on Lds.Org. Then tell us what you think about it I will be waitin....RatingI'll try to in the near future...please take the time to read my site while you wait...
On
06-Apr-2014,
William V. said:
What a great work you have assembled here. Very thorough, and at first glance seemingly accurate. My only wish would be that you are inspired to expand your work to Christianity as a whole or even organized religion in general. I think if you were to study some of the work of Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens, you would find it easier to disprove them all in one fell swoop instead of wasting time with the specifics of one. Remember, we are all atheists to most of the gods that society has ever created, some of us just go one further. And the essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.Rating 
On
08-Mar-2014,
Isaac said:
What I believe is, LDS should not revise their rules just to cooperate with the governor. If ploygamy is the "truth", believer should stick with it no matter the cost, even death . A Prophet should not change his word unless the word is not from god, god would never change his word. Brigham Young once talk about Seed of Cain, saying blacks were marked and they should be the "servant of servants" meaning Slaves. Why would they revies their view on such matter? What I thinks is becase they see their failure in future, so they change their words to be more "user-friendly ".Rating 
On
01-Mar-2014,
Cameron Martin said:
After only reading the Faith and Articles of Faith, it instantly strengthened my belief in that Mormonism is false. Thank you so much, and I will use this to my advantage in showing the lost the way.RatingThanks Cameron, glad the info helped.
On
26-Feb-2014,
Ron said:
After reading a few of the comments, I had all my questions answered about your site. I'm sure all the comments do need approval. You call yourselves Christian, what a sad joke. RatingI suspect you did not expect to get your comment posted. I'm happy to post contradictory statements, I just review them before posting to prevent spam and profanity. What is not Christian about spreading the truth about Christ?
On
21-Feb-2014,
Andy Vath said:
Thank you so much for this website!! I have been trying to disprove Mormonism for so long!! I just don't understand why people actually become part of this cult!! I am truly grateful i found this website and look forward to reading it further. I would love to exchange information sometime if you find anything new!! Keep up the good work and know that you are guiding people to true Christianity. May God bless you!! RatingThanks Andy. God Bless you as well.
On
20-Feb-2014,
Thomas T'Bird said:
Have read the "My Motivation", and so far I'm screamin' "AMEN MORE POWER TO YA!" I'm glad to have found a source to educate myself on how I can witness and debate with a few of my Mormon friends. Thank you and God bless you!RatingGod bless you as well!
On
16-Jan-2014,
Fl4tliner said:
Question for Catholics. Why do you believe Jesus and god are one in the same. Jesus clearly prays to his father aka god why would he pray to himself? Question for Mormons. Just how brainwashed are you to believe this j.smith and why feel the need to believe and follow this Mormon cult to be closer to god. I could go write a book and claim the same. Would you believe me over him pretty dumb of you to fall for lucifers tricky ways. Also j.smith was a free mason aka illuminaty member if you don't know what I'm implying hear I feel sorry for you being so blind.RatingPerfect example of why Jesus established His church under Saint Peter. You need a clergy to maintain the scriptures and clarify confusing issues. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one God, a trinity. You choose to think of God as a singular being, much like a person, so you prevent yourself from understanding how one part of God can speak to another part of God. We believe Jesus is consubstantial with God the Father, because Jesus said it himself.
On
16-Jan-2014,
Fl4tliner said:
I don't understand how one could fall for this load of bull crap. had two Mormon elders (elders and they are yonger then me funny) on their two year mission stop and talk to my roommate and I. We gladly invited them in as where use to jw and other church members stopping by, not knowing they were Mormon not that it matters. They stayed for an hour and talk about god, read the bible, and prayed. They asked us to read the book of Mormon they gave us and to pray to god and ask god whether its true or not. I honestly don't know where to start. Well, I would never deviate from the holy bible and for one it clearly says this book should not be altered or added to so why the need for BoM which was written in the 1800s. Obviously it would take major trickery to get any person with at least 1/10 common sense to believe this crap. One thing I noticed after they left is the were basicly saying in a nice way I was wrong, my church was broken, and theirs was not basicly a bunch of jerks who are they to say ones faith is wrong and theirs correct when they are following a false prophet. I do not believe any man interpreted religion I am one with god and that's all I need. I will also say I believe catholic religion is a cause religion as well that prays and idolizes to false gods including the pope, mary, statues, the rosary. Not to mention in revelations it points right to the roman catholic church as the whore riding the beast. Idk how one could read the true word of god and still want to follow any man corrupted religion when Jesus clearly tells us all we have to do is truly repent from our sins and that is it so why always try to take it to the next level. Also man becoming god hahaha that j.smith must have been smoking some good sh#t or was just full of sh#t either way Mormon is not the correct path there is only one true path and that's not through any religion its through Jesus Chris stight to god no Mormon or catholic detuers. Also note to auther I noticed when reading the home page you mention doing this because of your christian duty but in same paragraph mention your catholic may want to change that as they are two completely different beliefs.RatingOne, there would be no Christianity today without the Catholic Church. Two, Catholics do not worship the Pope, Mary, etc...that is a typical Protestant distortion. The Pope is the head of the church. Mary is the mother of God incarnate, so God elevated her, not us. The Hail Mary is taken straight from the Bible. Praying and asking for the intercession of Mary and the saints is merely an acknowledgment that they are in Heaven and can pray with us and for us. We worship only God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit).
On
03-Jan-2014,
William said:
Chris, I'm pretty much done here. Unfortunately your responses are irrational and incoherent. You are so afraid of going to hell and so afraid of thinking because you might be believing a myth- you choose to lie to yourself. Anyway. Let me explain. The OT laws, are not the ten commandments. (Let's call god- Zeus and Jesus- Mithra). Well the OT laws are the ridiculous laws that you will find in Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers. To answer your question- they are basically all stupid. They reflect either 1) the immoral beliefs of an ancient people or 2) Zeus is a moron. There are a hundred or more of them. They include various immoral things like--- a women is unclean twice as long after delivering a female, as opposed to a male child Leviticus 12:2,4, 12:5----- some stupid values of human life are given and females are about half the worth of males Leviticus 27:3-7----- if an uncommitted virgin is raped, the offender pays a fine and marries the woman he raped-- etc. Complete and total immoral stupidity. Now, nobody accepts most of these today. But here is the problem and it's multi-factorial 1) Mithra believes these laws as I have already shown 2) Christians believe some when it suits their purpose and laugh at the rest of them (with guilt no doubt). Again to show you from your own bible. Mithra says he accepts them here Matthew 5:17----- then he proves he believes them here, when he recommends stoning children to death (an earthly death) Matthew 15:4, Mark 7:10----- so Mithra accepts ridiculous laws from Zeus and he promotes them including killing- when appropriate, for offenses like cursing you parents. ( There are other examples too). So having Mithra accepting the ridiculous is a huge problem. It comes right from your bible but you'll deny it, re-interpret it or excuse it, or have priests tell you how to think at church- this is a moot point for you. And here is how Christians like to use the laws when it fits. Say you are a homophobe from reality TV. Well use these Leviticus 18;22, 20:13. -------- Is you are a devout Christian in year 1200. Well we have thousands of innocent women we call witches. You burn them to death from this one Exodus 22:18------ If your an American in early 1800"s and have slaves. The OT is full of slavery. Mithra doesn't mind slavery either. Maybe use this one Exodus 21:20-21------ So as I show over and over and over. Christians just cherry pick what fits, as you do, and use that. As you do, they ignore, rationalize and excuse the rest of the myth. Just picking out parts of the myth that fits. But when completely deluded with religion, there is no chance to see or recognize that is exactly what you do. The good parts of the bible can be written in a pamphlet. The rest is immoral and ridiculous. There is no more reason to believe the good parts than there is to believe the bad parts. With the ten commandments, well Zeus himself breaks almost every one of them in the old testament. I'm done, you'll not see what's right in front of you. Thanks though for trying.RatingMy responses are irrational and incoherent? Are you trying to be ironic? William, I repeatedly demonstrated that you were taking things out of context or drawing unfair conclusions, i.e. suggesting Jesus would call for the death of children. He cited that law and punishment to point out hypocrisy, that doesn't mean he concurs with the punishment. Maybe you've forgotten that Jesus was responsible for sparing Mary Magdeline from stoning. You repeatedly fail to distinguish between crime and punishments, so you disregard the crime because you think the punishment was immoral. You conflate God's laws with the Jewish laws. You point to bad behavior by Christians or Jews to justify condemning their beliefs...do you condemn atheists like yourself because other atheists committed atrocities, like Hitler and Stalin? Bottom line is that you are giving up because you can't argue using actual facts. You can't name one reference in the New Testament where Jesus actually calls for the death of anyone...you only imply based on out of context references to OT laws. Do you disagree with Jesus' call to love your neighbor as yourself? Do you disagree with the commandments to not lie, steal, kill, commit adultery, or covet your neighbor's wife or possessions? Do you disagree with the commandment to honor your father and mother? No, I'm betting you don't disagree with any of those...you certainly can't call those immoral or ridiculous. You probably think homosexuality is moral. Why? Because it's two consenting adults? Well then, why not 3, 4, 5, or 20 consenting adults? Why not incest and pedophilia? Why not do whatever makes you happy? Is that your basis for morality? I don't expect a response, but I did expect a better argument.
On
20-Dec-2013,
William said:
"William, you cite Matthew 5:17 and then IMPLY that he is referencing putting people to death for violations of the law, yet the verses immediately following that show Jesus requiring mercy and forgiveness. No rationalization, just reading. Try it sometime." Chris the above is what you replied. Here is Matthew 5:17--- THINK NOT THAT I AM COME TO DESTROY THE LAW, OR THE PROPHETS: I AM NOT COME TO DESTROY, BUT TO FULFILL.------ Now you don't like what that says. It means the ridiculous OT laws are the law. You don't like it, so you suggest I am implying something and I don't read. Well, the opposite is true. I read and you imply, and when you read, you read into things so they fit your bias belief. The verses that follow DO NOT explain this away, rather they clearly reinforce this. They suggest the law is the law. If you still want to spin this to fit your thought process because you don't like what you read, then look here-------- Matthew 15:4, Mark 7:10: HE THAT CURSETH FATHER OR MOTHER, LET HIM DIE THE DEATH--------------- I am not making this stuff up, it's in your bible. So this is stating clearly the ridiculous, unfair, absurd OT law is the law and it means death. So Jesus clearly accepts and promotes OT law. Whether you wish that were not true, because you believe that isn't true- well that does not change the fact that it is true. Jesus displays less morality than the average person today. Far less. It is one thing to not be aware of what your bible says, it is another to be aware and not care what it says because it does not fit your belief system. Your belief system is more important than the truth. That is what happens with complete religious delusion and cognitive dissonance.Rating"Now you don't like what that says. It means the ridiculous OT laws are the law..." That is what I'm talking about, you just jumped to the conclusion that Jesus was referring to those laws that had punishments of death, even though He goes on to specifically address murder, adultery, lying, stealing, and loving your neighbors, all from the Ten Commandments. He also doesn't call for anyone to be put to death on earth, but warns that these sins can result in you going to hell. Jesus clearly supports the laws of the Old Testament, but He does not support earthly punishments, as His teachings and actions demonstrate. So the real question for you is, are the laws themselves immoral or just the punishments? If the laws are immoral, which ones do you disagree with?
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17-Dec-2013,
William said:
Since I am now to ignore the old testament because it says some stuff we don't like, and if we don't like it we can ignore it. Here are some Jesus quotes from the gospel writers, who never met Jesus, but somehow know him intimately. Your priest will never use these in church. :-))))) -- Matthew 5:28-30, 18:8-9, Mark 9: 43-48. Here we cut off body parts if we have improper thoughts. ---- Matthew 19:12, Here if we castrate ourselves we might have a great chance at heaven!---- Mark 7;10, Matthew 15:4, If you curse your parents you should be stoned to death (This is the old testament law that the administrator says we should ignore, even when Jesus says it)---- Matthew 10:34,Luke 12: 51-53. I come not to send peace but a sword--- Matthew 11:21-24, Mark 6:11, Luke 10:10-15. Jesus condemns cities to hell (who knows how many innocent children are there?)---- Luke 19:27, Slay enemies before me--------- So we have Jesus promoting killing, mutilation, torture. Not sure if we are to ignore these or excuse them but I'll find out I guess.RatingWilliam, please attend Mass on Feb 16th, 2014, where you'll hear the gospel reading from Matthew 5:17-37. Then, on Sep 27th, 2015, go again to hear Mark 9:38-48. Matthew 19:12 does not suggest castrating yourself. Luke 10:10-15 Jesus does not condemn the cities to hell, they condemn themselves by rejecting Him. Luke 19:27 "Slay enemies before me"...you stated that as if Jesus was calling for that, when Jesus is actually telling a parable and these are the words of a king in that parable. William, please stop taking things out of context. It really undermines your case when you can't show objectivity.
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16-Dec-2013,
William said:
I will say again the authors of the gospels are unknown. They are not disciples Matthew, Luke, John, Mark. Those guys were illiterate. As was Jesus. And they were likely all long dead before these gospels were written. If they existed. You have to do your research because you won't even accept quotes I give from your own bible. You excuse and rationalize. There is no chance you will accept any information, if you can even excuse your own bible quotes. Just look up what biblical scholars say about the authors. The authors are unknown and what the authors write is hearsay, there are no eye witnesses. That is fact. But if you won't accept quotes from your own bible because you don't like what they imply- there is zero chance you can accept actual biblical scholars, outside the bible, because you won't like what they imply. If something fits what you what to believe, you know that is true. If it doesn't fit, that is obviously wrong. :))). And Steve, well, if you find a large ancient skeleton, I don't believe a logical conclusion is - an angel fornicated with some human. And Noah's ark has never been found. It simply has not. Sure there are 40 plus claims that Noah's ark has been found- all disproven. But if you believe pictures on the internet, well then I simply can't use actual science facts that show it has never been found. Besides that it's logically absurd, there is no geological evidence for it. And likely 50 reasons it's impossible. It's a myth.RatingWilliam, Jesus was certainly not illiterate, or he wouldn't have had the knowledge he had of scripture...plus, it was a requirement for Jewish boys to be able to read from scripture to become men. Matthew was a tax collector, so he was more than likely an educated man. Anyone who was illiterate when they met Jesus, certainly could have learned to read and write over the many years they spent spreading the gospel. You sure speculate a LOT for someone who claims to rely on evidence and logic! Your comment about their writings being hearsay is not fact. SOME scholars may argue that, but it certainly is not FACT. On implications, it is you who pick the worst possible references and attribute them to Jesus while ignoring what He actually said. What part of his life and teachings suggest that he supported any of those punishments you reference? You also continue to assume everything written in the Bible must be taken literally, even though a billion Christians around the world do not take them literally. That shows your bias.
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07-Dec-2013,
Steve said:
I just want to make a quick comment to william who says that its impossible to produce giants from the intermingling of the Sons of God (fallen angels) and the daughters of men. besides the physical evidence that has been dug up ex. giant skeletal remains and also strange skulls with horns etc. there is one very important thing you can research for proof of this phenom its called a Liger where they state that mixes the mother of one with the male of the other will disable the growth inhibitor gene and cause it to grow without controls. and now Ill refer you to the new testament where its written that the end of days shall be like the days of Noah.. the return of the Nephilim. once again they are going to start messing with DNA and start mixing animal and human genetics to produce things against Gods natural design. there is a starting point for you to explore things you may not be able to comprehend because you arent a believer. also if you need proof of unbelievable things using logic there is plenty of videos on youtube of the discovery of Noahs ark and the remains of Pharoahs chariots at the bottom of the red sea and a host of other finds that up until now have been mocked by unbelievers of which I used to be one. so I completely understand the skepticism Rating 
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07-Dec-2013,
William said:
I thought I remembered it. So I looked it up. Okay, we have the admission here that Genesis is myth. No question it was stated, and I was accused of cherry picking by even quoting it. Now, here are the verses below that clearly show Jesus believes Genesis. The amazing flood story about Noah. Jesus believes that one seen here -Matthew 24:37, Luke 17:27 And the absurd Sodom and Gomorrah story, Jesus believes that one here -Luke 17:29-32, Matthew 10:14-15. Those are Genesis stories that we agree are myth. :)))) So we have Jesus believing myth then, no question. He also believes the impossible story of Jonah and the whale here-Matthew 12:40. Jesus also accepted all the Old Testament laws here: Matthew 5:17 ( you know the laws where you get stoned to death for working Sunday, unruly children are stoned to death, blasphemy is stoned to death etc) Not sure what type of rationalizing and gymnastics will be required now. The bible does a fine job disproving itself, in my view.RatingWilliam, you cite Matthew 5:17 and then IMPLY that he is referencing putting people to death for violations of the law, yet the verses immediately following that show Jesus requiring mercy and forgiveness. No rationalization, just reading. Try it sometime. Don't condemn Christianity for the harsh punishments recorded in the Old Testament. On believing the stories in Genesis, you continue to read in too much. Those references served the purpose that all those in Jesus' audience understood. That doesn't mean they happened as they are recorded and it doesn't mean they didn't happen at all. You can't prove they didn't happen and I can't prove they did. We can probably both agree that some of the specifics are questionable.
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07-Dec-2013,
William said:
There is are certain irony that I know the biblical history better than a devout believer. The gospel authors are anonymous. This is your error and bias. You make assumptions because the authors write like they were there. So it's not really your fault.The authors were not there, and this is disingenuous at best, on the part of these unknown authors. And lack of knowledge on your end perhaps. You have to do your homework on your own book. There are no witnesses, who actually wrote anything Jesus's purported did, in the bible. Only hearsay from some unknown authors, with their own agenda. Look it up. There are no witnesses who wrote anything about Jesus. Absolutely none. It's all hearsay, as I have repeatedly stated, and this comes from biblical scholars by the way. You don't seem to want to get this point, that you should research, there are NO eye witnesses to Jesus, who wrote in the bible. The writers NEVER met the guy or saw ANYTHING. Then you will have to tell me which books of the bible are true, as you suggest ( rightly so) that Genesis is a myth. Which ones can I quote from? Is the lovely piece of literary prose in Judges true? This beauty has it all- god sanctioned murder, slavery, torture, rape, human sacrifice. All approved by god. Is this one true? You may have to use a highlighter on the bible to allow me to quote from which ones you say are right and I can avoid the ones you don't like or are myth. It's too bad the bible doesn't say what parts are myth and we should ignore, and which parts we should believe. :))))) That is the definition of your cherry picking by the way. RatingWilliam, you are speculating again. Where is the evidence that the authors aren't Matthew, Mark, Luke and John? You can't be depending solely on average ages. Please provide more than speculation.
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04-Dec-2013,
William said:
Let me try one argument from logic against say the bible. In my experience, believing Christianity requires a dismissal of logic, and thus I'll fail from the outset trying to apply logic. Never the less. :-)) If I was to say I can fly around the room when I pray to my god. Somebody would likely and justifiable ask for some evidence. In the bible we have these type of things - a talking snake and talking donkey - unicorns and dragons - beasts flicking their tail to knock stars to the ground - angels impregnating women to produce giants - a flood that covers the earth to the top of mountains - a guy is in a fish for three days and lives - a woman is turned into a pillar of salt - a guy walks on water, calms seas, turns water to wine and is born from a virgin - some people are resurrected from the dead - there are incredible miracles - evil spirits, lack of faith can cause diseases. Now all of this is accepted by the devout Christian without a shred of evidence. An unbiased person, not fully versed in this stuff, might rightly say, " you can't be serious". But this is serious. It's worse than that though, because not only is this blindly accepted by the devout, but the devout can, without embarrassment, ask me to disprove these claims. :-))) Like the onus is on the non-believer to disprove the absurd. I suggest this is the power of religious delusion. RatingWilliam, you are cherry picking stories from the Book of Genesis, which you know is more legend than literal. The stories of Jesus, on the other hand, do have eye-witnesses, which you simply ignore and make baseless claims that they never saw anything. The onus is not on us to prove these things happened, as we believe they did given the evidence we do have. You are not required to believe it and no one will compel you to, but you are just as unable to disprove that Jesus performed these miracles as we are able to prove that He did. If we had proof, we wouldn't need faith and there would be a lot more Christians in the world. If you have evidence beyond your speculation, then present it.
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03-Dec-2013,
William said:
Okay, you mention "authors who have borne witness to many miracles, especially those who witnessed Jesus after His resurrection". This is an error. The authors never witnessed anything. They never met Jesus. They never saw miracles. They never saw him after purported resurrection. They only write what is called "hearsay". This is not what we refer to as evidence today. Hearsay is repeating what someone else said. It's worse than that for the gospel writers though. We do not know who they are. The Mark, Matthew, Luke and John are not the name of the writers. They are unknown. So somebody tells somebody, who tells somebody, who tells somebody etc.- then it gets written down by a superstitious person trying to convert non-believers, because they are in competition with other gods. Then the Gospel writers don't even get their own story straight between them. There are differences and inconsistencies between them. Today, that is the hallmark of common urban myths. That is nature of the Gospels. Then consider they were written decades after Jesus' death. Consider the average life span was about 30 years old then. It's possible the authors were not even born when Jesus died. This is not what we refer to as evidence today. It wouldn't even get a passing glance as evidence by logical people, if done that way today. So I ask if you have any evidence outside of what superstitious, long after the fact biblical writers who were trying to convince people, who disagree amongst themselves on the details, if you have evidence outside of that? RatingWilliam, you who claim to want evidence offer none of your own. Where is the evidence that the gospels weren't written by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, the disciples of Jesus? You offer nothing but speculation and then extrapolate from there.
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02-Dec-2013,
ALG said:
To all who have accused the website's creator of setting out to damn other religions, I present to you this: Consider, perhaps, that the creation of this website is not to go on damning one religion or denomination over another, but instead to shed light on why it is that Christians are offended by the Mormon church, and offer sound explanation as to why it cannot be both ways. It is offensive to a Christian for a body of people who share a belief that Jesus the Christ is the brother of heavenly opposition in its purest form (Satan), who share a belief that the Garden of Eden lies somewhere in the middle of Missouri, who believe that good works elevate you to a godly state in the afterlife, who believe that one must atone for ones' own sins to call themselves Christians. These are only a few examples of the vast difference between Mormonism and Christianity, and, as bad as it may hurt feelings, you cannot have it both ways. If a Mormon were truly Christian, why even call yourself as a Mormon? It is not a denomination of Christianity. Mormonism is an entirely different religion that seems to change with the times. The Bible is infalliable. The BOM is to accompany the Bible, but the Bible says that one cannot add to, or take away from the scriptures. History means nothing to the Mormon church. No matter how much it is proven that it is physiologically, environmentally, and systematically impossible for the basis of Mormonism to hold truth, there are those that will continue to believe. This site is not for those. It is for the ones who want to see for themselves, who want to learn from history, who seek truth. Call yourselves Mormons if you wish, but please do not refer to yourselves as Christians, you are not. RatingWell said.
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29-Nov-2013,
William said:
This is a great site. I believe any site that asks people to question "why I believe what I do" is a good thing. I only wish people could apply the same logic to Christianity, Islam, Hindu, etc. Simply read the holy book and read arguments against your position. Your position is untenable. Assuming one religion is wrong and then our own is correct, is merely repeating the error with our own religion, all the while being completely oblivious to the fact, we commit the same errors that we accuse others of. And we deny we are committing an error, with the same or more voracity than the accused religion does. All the while claiming our religion is obviously right. All based on no evidence and in the face of ample contrary, logical evidence. The inability for a devout believer to see their own religion as a myth, is a ubiquitous problem for every religion. As is denying it is man made fraud. To assert the poor Mormons are believing a fraudulent myth (which they are) but asserting Christianity is correct, is the ultimate irony and hypocrisy, in my opinion.RatingWilliam, "all based on no evidence" is quite a stretch, given the many authors of the Old and New Testament who have borne witness to many miracles, especially those who witnessed Jesus after His resurrection. If you have evidence that it is all made up, then present it...and not just speculation by historians over time, but actual evidence to support those claims.
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27-Nov-2013,
common sense said:
I just wanted to thank you for your work and insight. Its much easier not to question, and blindly follow. Especially if your family and friends are part of the herd. My wife and I were both members. After and during being sealed we started to see the bs. Once we "opened" our hearts and began to question the church, we realized we had been idiots. There is one Christ. He needed no other prophet. Mormonism is the biggest scam ever. Keep up the good fight. RatingGlad you were able to see the truth. Thanks for sharing!
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26-Nov-2013,
Suzanne said:
Have not visited your website for a while. It looks like your site has hit a nerve with some Mormons. Interesting how they got to your website in the first place...maybe wondering? Even if you're reading this and consider yourself to be Mormon, I would suggest to you that you go to your Bishop. Tell him you've really begun to have some doubts about the church, thus your visit to this website...or just make something up. Tell him you would like to meet other people who aren't Mormon, and you'd like to attend some other churches, just to get a broader perspective. I can tell you that a couple of things will quickly occur. He'll call in your family, or you'll have to meet with the Stake President, and before they're through with you, you'll have "seen the light and the error of your ways"--of course by this time, you'll be feeling really guilty, maybe even ashamed of yourself, and that will probably be the end of it, unless you have the courage to truly find out for yourself. Remember one thing--only cults ask you to believe everything they've thrown at you and tell you it is the only way to believe, and that you'll be eternally damned if you don't. Try having friends out of the church--they're a bad influence. All those things you've heard about this is the "True" church. Tell me you didn't wonder when you heard it--how do they know? Try reading books like "Under The Banner of Heaven"--you'll be told it is blasphemous, and you may have another visit with the Stake President. My point is, NO other church would expect this of you. In fact most churches have bible study where people discuss various interpretations of what the prophets were discussing (and I don't mean Joseph Smith). I pray you will find something on this website that causes you to take a hard look at the Mormon church and see it for what it is. Sincerely, a former Mormon.RatingGreat advice Suzanne. Thanks for sharing.
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24-Nov-2013,
Against false religion said:
Great site someone needs to expose these false religions for what they are. Now you should make a site exposing the Roman Catholic religion as a false religion. RatingI'll get right on that...as soon as I see the evidence ;) Please email me or post an example that shows that Roman Catholicism is a false religion.
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14-Nov-2013,
mormon and proud of it said:
i'm not twisting my prophets words. we do not believe we will become godly you are crazy to think that. what is god going to do after we die he's going to make us gods so that he doesn't have all the power. We believe that the closest to godliness we will ever get is being perfect like him. But we will not be gods, we will not be gods we will not be planents we do not believe in more then one god I know my religion better then you do and I say we do not believe in more then one god, we do not believe we will become gods. Why did you take my testimonial off you put it on then took it offRatingI want you to remember how adamant you are about your "belief" right now, because if you are still a Mormon in a few years, you'll learn that your religion actually does believe you will become Gods. Your scripture teaches the existence of many Gods and your Prophet Brigham Young is quoted several times on my site preaching the same belief. You can't have it both ways. Either many Gods exist and Mormonism is correct or only one God exists and your founding prophets and your scripture, the Book of Abraham, are not of God. I changed your testimonial to a comment, since the testimonials are for ex-Mormons to explain why they left.
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14-Nov-2013,
mormon and proud of it said:
okay so someone told you wrong we are aloud to ask questions there is absolutely no reason why we shouldn't it's good for are religionRatingI agree it is good to ask questions...but I'm confident that when you start asking questions of your elders, when they run out of answers, they will give you the same line. Be on the lookout...
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13-Nov-2013,
sasha hashly said:
okay one thing I want to say I apologize I was rude when I said those things but I believe that my church is true. I know my church is true. I was trying to defend my religion I'm going to leave this challenge to those who know what they are saying and can say it nicely. I know my religion is true but I also need to study it more to challenge you I'm only seven so when I'm older and have more experience I will come back and challenge you. again so sorry for being rude when I come and challenge you again ill make sure that I am nice about it,RatingSasha, your religion is not true. You are welcome to defend it, but like your fellow "Mormon and proud of it", you are too young to have been taught many of the stranger Mormon beliefs and too naïve to know when you are being misled. The truth is logical. Mormonism is not...see my previous comment below for a good example.
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13-Nov-2013,
mormon and proud of it said:
if you mean this scripture,"And this because they have turned their hearts away from me, to worship the god of Elkenah, and the god of Libnah, and the god of Mahmackrah, and the god of Korash, and the god of Pharaoh, king of Egypt; therefore I have come down to visit them, and to destroy him who hath lifted up his hand against thee, Abraham, my son, to take away thy life." then you've got the wrong idea he was saying what those people believed not what he believe 1 And then the Lord said: Let us go down. And they went down at the beginning, and they, that is the Gods, organized and formed the heavens and the earth. ... 31 And the Gods said: We will do everything that we have said, and organize them; and behold, they shall be very obedient. And it came to pass that it was from evening until morning they called night; and it came to pass that it was from morning until evening that they called day; and they numbered the sixth time. remember this is in the Egyptian times he was calling jesus and the holy ghost a god they are not but that was Egyptian times that is what he called themRatingI'm not referencing the 1st quote, but the following verses, which clearly mirror the creation story from the Book of Genesis, but changed to reflect the existence of many Gods rather than just one. This is supposed to be the Book of Abraham, written by Abraham, not by an Egyptian. Even you, a 13 year old, is smart enough to know the difference. If the Book of Abraham is truly scripture, restored by Joseph Smith, then you can't claim that you don't believe in many Gods. Oh, wait a minute, the Book of Mormon says there is only one God. Hmmm, that's a pickle. Which one is right? They can't both be right, can they?
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13-Nov-2013,
mormon and proud of it said:
we believe in the same god as you do he is the only god. You are crazy have you ever even been to the church, paid attention to it, RatingI believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible. I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven, and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets. I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church. I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen. That is what Catholics believe. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are One God. Mormons, despite that statement being in the testimony of the "witnesses" to the Book of Mormon, do not share that belief.
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13-Nov-2013,
mormon and proud of it said:
we believe that heavenly father can be in more then one place we agree. but why would he call himself his own son if he is the father of all. He's not two different people, he is one person or god who can be in more than one place at one. Jesus is not heavenly father. heavenly father is not Jesus. I know are scriptures make it sound like that but we are referring to them as a god head you know how like the government is not the president but they all work together. Second we don't believe that heavenly father lives on planet kolab. where did you get that info? what even is planet kolab?RatingRead the Book of Abraham...
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13-Nov-2013,
mormon and proud of it said:
okay so if your saying that there is no Jesus Christ or holy ghost because there just one person. how could the dove get on his shoulder and say this is my beloved son? why would he say it about himself? why are all three of there names mentioned at different times and places? why would god die on the cross for us it wouldn't hurt him? Jesus died on the cross. heavenly father did not die on the cross. what about the story between Jesus heavenly father and Lucifer he picked Jesus not Lucifer. they are not one being. you are going off of what you believe not what you know to be true. Yes are heart can be foolish sometimes but when it comes to heavenly father and Jesus Christ and in the holy ghost if you get those feelings then you know its true. when they become involved with your heart it is no longer foolish it is truthful. RatingHere's how the Book of Mormon explains it: Mosiah 15:1-4 "I would that ye should understand that God himself shall come down among the children of men, and shall redeem his people. And because he dwelleth in flesh he shall be called the Son of God, and having subjected the flesh to the will of the Father, being the Father and the Son - The Father, because he was conceived by the power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and the Son-And they are one God, yea, the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth."
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12-Nov-2013,
mormon and proud of it said:
I think you did good on this website, great at persuading people, nice job. But some of us you will never convince. I say this in a nice way not a mean hateful one. You did great but some off this is not true. Mostly kids like me are the only Mormons who look at these sights. kids who want a challenge or like me kids who want to see what other people think. But kids can prove everything you say to be wrong because we have not had the full experience but kids like me know enough to stand in holy places and be not moved until the day of the lord come. I want you to hear this it is the young women theme. we are daughters of our heavenly father who love us and we love him we will stand as witnesses of god at all times, in all things, and in all places as we strive to live the young women values which are faith, divine nature, individual worth, knowledge, choice and accountability, and virtue. we believe as we come to except and act upon these values we will be prepared to strengthen home and family, make and keep sacred covenants, and enjoy the blessings of exaltation that is out motto and all of us can say it by heart because we believe it and no matter how many people try to say we are wrong we will always continue along are path until we return to our heavenly father. I'd like to bear my testimony and say that I know that the church is true, I know that the prophets in the book of Mormon say the words of god. I know that I made the right choice in standing firm in my religion. I know that are father is real and he loves us so much. I also know that he is the only god. Through the hard times with my friends at school, dealing with bullies, or people who ignore me because of my religion. I know that threw the hard time like school and family that I have grown stronger. I know that I am a true member of the church. I know that the holy ghost is hear to comfort me when I need it, I also know that Jesus Christ died the most painful death willingly for my sins and I know that he will forgive me for everything that I've done wrong. when I became of age when my parents finally told me that Santa wasn't real, I began to question if the lord was actually real. I prayed and searched bible and book of Mormon and found that I had already known that Heavenly Father is real. I fell to my knees and begged him to forgive me for not believing, but I know that he forgave me that day. That experience helped me come closer to heavenly father and I am glad that its made me stronger. I love my Heavenly father. I also LOVE my brother who died on the cross for me. I love the holy ghost who comforts me when I need it. And I love all my brothers and sisters out there know matter how many have hurt or bullied me. I know that the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints is true. And know one can take that great feeling away. And I say these things in the name of Jesus Christ whom I love AMEN.RatingYou clearly have strong "feelings", but you lack any logical support of your religion. You can still love Jesus and not be a Mormon, you do realize that, don't you?
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12-Nov-2013,
mormon and proud of it said:
I am Mormon and I am proud of it. You are never going to change my mind. Keep on challenging me you are making me a better Mormon because of it. I am a kid and I can say we are able to ask questions but only those who seek for the answers get them. I am a child age 13 and I will stand strong in the eyes of god. I will continue believing until the last day and I will continue believing after that. Don't judge us based on our belief only those who don't understand our religion finds false fault in itRatingSpoken like a true Mormon. You don't find fault in your religion because you clearly haven't opened your eyes and looked at the evidence I've presented.
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12-Nov-2013,
mormon and proud of it said:
okay joseph did not say there is more than one god it is the people who do not believe him are saying that they want others to think he's wrong. I can tell you one think for sure WE BELIEVE IN THE ONE AND TRUE GOD HEAVNELY FATHER AND THAT IS THE ONLY GODRatingSo, if God the Father is the only God, what are Jesus and the Holy Spirit?
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12-Nov-2013,
mormon and proud of it said:
okay so what if theres so many it came to pass in the book of Mormon. It doesn't mean long amount of time had past. It means an exciting or important scripture is being told. beside you keep on saying the Mormons religion is wrong doe that mean this is a false sourceRatingIt is simply a poor attempt by Joseph Smith to make it sound like the Bible. His overuse demonstrates that.
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12-Nov-2013,
mormon and proud of it said:
okay the book of Mormon and the bible were not written in different time periods they were written in different sides of the world so they went to that side of the world and heard or was there when it happened plus the book of Mormon is there past and what god wants them to say. he is saying through them so if its really important he might just say it through more then one person RatingWritten in different sides of the world, recorded by different people in different languages, yet translated to the same exact King James writing for the copied Isaiah chapters and other parts of the text. Not realistic in the least.
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12-Nov-2013,
mormon and always will be said:
how do you know that it wasn't Adam sacrificing as he claimed you were not there? Plus joseph did not right that Adam did joseph just translated itRatingNot sure of the reference here.
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12-Nov-2013,
mormon and proud of it said:
okay we did practice polygamy back then but so did the people in the bible. we do not believe we will become godly heavenly is and will be the only god. When he creates us again we will be in perfect shape but that is the closest to godliness we will ever get.RatingBack then in the 1800s AD, after Jesus had already corrected the record, is not the same as back then in the 1800s BC. You are twisting your own prophets' teachings on becoming gods to sound more mainstream.
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12-Nov-2013,
mormon and proud of it said:
you are right we are judged after we die we either go to heaven or we go to a place where we learn about the gospel until a family member decides to get baptized for us. I understand what you mean it is a difficult process. By the way just a question, just because you don't understand are religion does that mean that we have false faith? RatingYou have a false religion because your religion is false. It has nothing to do with my understanding of your religion. It is false based on simple logic and empirical evidence.
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12-Nov-2013,
mormon and proud of it. said:
Okay so the bible is not completely correct it has been changed through time. why do you think there are so many versions? Joseph smith isn't recreating the bible he is doing what god told him. In the 2 Nephi it says why the book of Mormon was created why don't t you read it to see whyRatingThere are so many different versions because so many different scholars have translated it in different centuries. But aside from grammatical differences or use of different synonyms, they are essentially the same. Not so with Joseph Smith's attempt to translate the Bible.
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12-Nov-2013,
mormon and proud of it said:
second when we say Jesus, Heavenly father, and the holy ghost we mean they are one god head. kind of like a face Jesus is an eye. he is heavenly fathers son. Holy ghost is another eye. he is the holy comforter, he gives us that feeling when something's right or wrong. Heavenly Father is the smile that brightens every thing. He is are father and the one we must obey if we make the right choices. Together we form a head which is what we mean by godhead. I hope I have convinced you if not tell me whyRatingSo are they each separate Gods? Is only the Father God? What is Jesus' stature?
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12-Nov-2013,
mormon and proud of it said:
Okay first thing is we are not polytheistic. The Adam we are talking about is the one from the bible story Adam and eve. They made a bad choice but the articles of faith say that we will not be punished for his wrong choices but we will be punished for the ones we make. We are not polytheistic we believe in one god and that is all.RatingSo, was Brigham Young a false prophet for teaching the existence of many gods? Is the Book of Abraham false scripture for teaching the same thing? Maybe you are unaware of these teachings....
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12-Nov-2013,
mormon and proud of it said:
I'm not saying that your right, but if you think the Mormons are wrong. Then what church do you believe to be right? Why do you think that? I'm going to continue looking at your sight and use what I know, scriptures from bible, and book of Mormon to show you where you are wrong hope you don't mind the challenge.RatingI'm Roman Catholic. I say that right on the homepage in My Motivation section.
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08-Nov-2013,
i am a mormon and i always will be said:
you know if your making a website about how Mormons are bad then you must not have a lot of time on your hands. but seriously we are people to and you do know that there are many Mormons that you will never EVER EVER lead us to the wrong track. we are Mormons and we will stand strong and for the ex Mormons there why did you leave the church of jesus Christ of latter day saints. IF YOU WANT REAL FACTS ABOUT MOROMONS TRY MOMON.ORG OR LDS.ORG YO MAY FIND THAT THIS WEBSITE IS WRONGRatingMy website is not about how Mormons are bad...I think most Mormons are good people. It is about your religion is false, so you clearly didn't read it. Do you really think you are going to get objective facts from Mormon.org or LDS.org? They are obviously going to present only evidence that supports your religion and hide everything else. Check out my blog to see examples of Mormon apologists intentionally lying to defend your religion. Tell me where my arguments are wrong. Point out the lies, if they actually exist.
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05-Nov-2013,
Joe said:
Here is a plagiarized passage you may have missed: 1 Nephi 4:13 "Behold the Lord slayeth the wicked to bring forth his righteous purposes. It is better that one man should perish than that a nation should dwindle and perish in unbelief. Compare with: John 11:50 "Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not." KJVRating 
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03-Nov-2013,
Eric Lawton said:
The Jews killed Christ on many counts and deem Him a common criminal. To this day they believe they are right. You follow in their footsteps. Christianity has killed the Christ they are supposed to follow. They ignorantly worship the wolf in sheep's clothing who took hold of Christ's church and transformed it greatly through the dark ages. You kick against the pricks when you fight the restoration. I bet I never see this printed.RatingI have no problem printing contrarian views...there are plenty below. The only time I exclude comments is when they are full of profanity...doesn't happen too often though. We wouldn't have the Christian religion today if it weren't for what you call the wolf in sheep's clothing. The reformation is an apostasy and has done tremendous damage to Christianity, splitting God's church into hundreds of sects with competing beliefs. If the church Jesus established under Peter (today's Roman Catholic church) is not God's church, then you must conclude that the Bible has been corrupted and that Jesus isn't the Christ (He said He would be with His church until the end of time).
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28-Oct-2013,
Neen Williams said:
Ok so i have respect for you but i would just like to see what you have to say about this. So yes Mormonism hasent been around for very long whereas the catholic church has been around for thousands of years but how do you as chatholics define god if your creed says "He is every where but nowhere, everything but nothing." But mormons have defined there god in a clear way. Like how is he everything but nothing? Both religions agree that he came but if you believe hes everywhere how can you believe hes nowhere? RatingI haven't heard it put that way before. God is omnipresent...He is everywhere. He is omnipotent, all powerful. He is omniscient, all knowing. He is not confined to a physical body, as Mormons believe. He is a triune God, with the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit being one God. I explain how I view the concept a little further down in my responses in order to make it understandable, but it certainly is a mystery that we won't learn of until we see God.
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26-Oct-2013,
non-mormon mormon said:
I got baptized into the Mormon church when I was 9. I didn't know then what being "Mormon" really meant. Reading though the scriptures I've noticed a lot of the things you point out and am so glad so have this site! Despite what other people are saying on here, there was only a few things you said that aren't in line with what Mormons believe. You have everything in here and it is perfect! I am in high school and we are studying the book of Mormon in seminary. If I had a choice, I wouldn't go because I don't believe any of it at all. As they talk about how it's the most true book and how Joseph Smith was the first true prophet I just think how it is all BS...you've made it even easier for me to see that now. In the "Physical Proof" section you talk about Joseph Smith just copying things from the Bible. That very clearly proves he was a false prophet. I do believe in God, I do believe Christ is real, I am technically a Mormon, but I do not at all believe the teachings of the church.RatingThanks for the comment. I don't capture necessarily the current Mormon beliefs, as some of them have clearly changed over time, but I do show what Mormon prophets taught in the past and how that differs from the Bible and Book of Mormon. The point is to show the contradiction in teachings. I'm glad my site helped.
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23-Oct-2013,
M said:
I grew up going to a couple different churches and never really finding a right fit. This last year I have made friends with a number of mormons and found that our friendships reached a point where I wasn't a person who was their friend but a goal of being the next person they converted to check off their list of nonmembers that they knew. Nothing ever felt right though. I read through the Book of Mormon, had lessons from missionaries with my friends present, attended church activities, etc. Most members were very kind and welcoming and it was great. As I started paying more attention I noticed those higher up in the church (i attended a YSA ward with my friends) would pressure me to making this lifelong commitment all the time and that every time they got someone to come to church or an event or bring home a BoM it was a high five and a yah good job like it was some game they were winning. it just rubbed me the wrong way. I reached a point where after reading the BoM and comparing it to the Bible I wanted to know more so I looked at websites and teachings and found that something didn't sit right with me. I did lots of research and when I found this site I found that everything that didn't seem right wasn't just me being crazy or closed minded, but it was true. I will be having a conversation with my friends and I just hope that it doesnt ruin the friendship because the friends I do have are genuinely kind and caring people but I don't think they will take this well. Thank you for your help.Rating 
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07-Oct-2013,
heidi said:
I grew up never knowing anything except mormons and mormonism and thought its us mormons against the big bad christians who don't like us because we have All the truth and they just have a little bit. when I went to the temple it singled out the christian faith as the only false religion and showed their pastors in a derogatory way I knew this couldn't be right along with all the indecencies and threatening gestures i experienced in the temple but it took me 10 yrs of researching and seeking to brave my way out i am so lucky to be an ex mormon and i even wear a crossRating 
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06-Oct-2013,
William said:
I will answer your question on whether prophets were real or false. The answer is, it doesn't matter, you have completely missed the point, whether that is purposely or not I do not know. PR 30:5 Every word of god is true (pure) If god deceives anyone that statement is obviously not true. The fact you come up with an excuse to explain why he deceives, does not change the fact he deceives and therefore not every word is true. Also scribes are falsifying the word. Let me know if you have any other questions but I believe this is mostly useless effort on my part as you can't logically find the truth when you believe you already have it. I don't have it either by the way, but I can apply logic and reason to anything I do accept, and I do not believe that should be an unreasonable expectationRatingYou're right, I missed the point you were trying to make with the prophets. I question your interpretation of deception though. You seem to make the assumption that God actually spoke to the false prophets and lied to them, but God doesn't talk to false prophets; it is they who falsely claim to talk to God and speak for Him. This revealing of false prophets is exactly why Joseph Smith has been exposed as a fraud, because he made false claims and God has made it possible for us to see the truth (by preserving the papyrus used for the Book of Abraham, for example). Yes, I know what you're thinking...I'm making up excuses. If I take your absolutist position on how to interpret the deception, then yes, it would have to be an excuse. But, again, I don't think that is a fair interpretation. For "scribes falsifying the word", the reference is to scribes serving the king of Israel (if memory serves correctly), not to the authors of the Bible or the scripture as it is written. You can make the same claim against anyone who takes the Bible out of context to argue a point on morality. That doesn't mean that the Bible has been falsified, just that false claims have been made about it. I see you wrote an email to me, so I'll continue the discussion there.
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06-Oct-2013,
William said:
I most certainly have researched sources. The lack of research is not on my end. A theory in science is the highest level of scientific proof. It is the same as fact. Which is what evolution is. You have to apply the same research concept to yourself, that you suggest for others, so you understand the scientific term. I'm going to give a bunch more bible errors again. You don' t have to post anymore of my comments. I am trying to get you to actually think, instead of make excuses and give religious rhetoric. But you can't do it. Blind acceptance and excuses are not unbiased thought, that is what we call bias thought. So when I get time, I will continue on with posting bible errors so you can keep thinking up excuses, that should not be required. RatingWilliam, a theory is not fact, it is a hypothesis supported with evidence. Many theories are very strong, and have withstood decades of scrutiny, but that doesn't make them fact. Simple question for you since "the lack of research" is not on your end. When you suggested that God deceives prophets, were those references to His prophets or to false prophets? You are the one who blindly accepted the verses you cited as evidence, so you need to justify your position. You are welcome to email me at mormonismdisproved@yahoo.com if you want to continue this discussion in another forum.
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06-Oct-2013,
Anu Naki said:
In your "Contradictions" section you stated the following: "Most expert scientists agree that the American Indians came across the Bering Strait 15000 years ago, while some believe it to be 35000 years ago. There is also evidence that there were Indians inhabiting the southern tip of South America as early as 6000 B.C. Furthermore, the weapons used by the Indians were made of wood and stone. The general religion of the American Indians was polytheistic and they worshiped the moon god, the sun god, the sea god, etc." Since your motivation is your Christian duty to prevent others from drinking from a poisoned well, I find it disingenuous that you use science to disprove Mormonism yet fail to use science to disprove Christianity. Main stream science holds that humans originated and evolved by means of natural selection.RatingScience doesn't disprove Christianity, nor is "evolution" a proven fact. It is called the "Theory of Evolution" for a reason. While I agree that there have been changes to species over millions of years, I do not subscribe to the "theory" that we all originated from the same single celled organism. And science, as far as the chronological timeline of our existence, only contradicts the Bible, i.e. Genesis, if you take Genesis literally, which only Evangelicals and some others do. We believe Genesis was written by Moses, not an eyewitness of the events recorded in Genesis, so taking the account literally is not realistic, in my view. However, Moses was inspired by God, so to that extent, we have to accept that God is responsible for the creation of the universe and for man. Now how God did that, we won't know until we meet Him, but if evolution was His method, then that is His prerogative. I do not believe science and God are mutually exclusive, as atheists seem to argue. God wrote the laws of nature; He certainly can use those laws to advance His will.
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04-Oct-2013,
William said:
I always find it interesting a guy can apply logic and common sense to another religion, but it vanishes applied to his own. You ask for substantive contradictions, when you suggested: “If God says polygamy is wrong and then says it is OK, then that is substantive,” I am going to give you substantive contradictions here below. There are hundreds of these in your own holy book that you won’t actually study and critique. ( I studied the bible and found many problems but most I found through reading an excellent book dissecting the bible. I do not take credit for these) PR 30:5 Every word of god proves true IKI 22:23, 2CH 18:22, JE 4:10, JE 20:7, EZ 14:9 God deceives some of the prophets JE 8:8 The scribes falsify the word EZ 20:25 God says he intentionally gave out bad laws MT16;28, MK9:1, LK 9:27 Jesus says some of his listeners won’t die before he comes again. (This didn’t happen and can’t happen and it is a credibility issue big time). DT 6.5, MT 22.37. MK 12:30, LK 10:27 Love god DT 6:13, PS 33:8, 34:9. 111:10, LK 12:5, 1PE 2:17 Fear god IJN 4:18 There is no fear in love GE 2:17 Adam was to die the day he ate the forbidden fruit GE 5:5 Adam lived 930 years! Wow! GE 4:9 God asks where Abel is PR 15:3, JE 16:17, 23:24-25, HE 4:13 God is everywhere. He sees everything. Nothing is hidden. GE 7:1 Noah was righteous JB 1: 1,8, JB 2:3 Job was righteous RO 3:10, 3:23, 1JN 1:8-10 No one was or is righteous GE 11: 7-9 god causes discord PR 6:16-19 god hates anyone who causes discord GE 15:9, EX 20:24 God details sacrificial offerings JE 7: 21-22 God says he did no such thing GE 17:15-16, 20:11-12, 22:17 Abraham marries his half sister with God’s blessing LE 20:17, DT 27: 20-23 Incest is wrong EX 3: 20-22, DT 20: 13-17 God instructs Israelites to plunder EX 20:15, 17, LE 19:13 God prohibits stealing or robbing a neighbour EX 20:5, 34:7, NU 14:18, DT 5:9 Children are to suffer for their parents sins DT 24:16, EZ 18: 19-20 Children are not to suffer for their parents sins EX 34:6, DT 7:9-10, TS 1:2 God is faithful and truthful and does not lie NU 14:30 God breaks his promise 1KI 22:21-23 God encourages deception 2THH 2: 11-12 God deludes people EX 34: 6-7, HE 9:27 God remembers sin, even when it has been forgiven JE 31:34 God does not remember sin when it has been forgiven There are hundreds of these things. Why should we not except a certain level of truth in the Bible, instead of these errors and contradictions. Why does God make so many errors in his holy book, inspired by him, through the holy spirit. Well,it’s written by men and reflects nothing but myth. You are drinking the same poison water as the poor Mormons and can’t see it. This is the power of complete religious indoctrination and lack of applying logic and common sense to your own holy books. I don’t believe a word in these books and I find problems all over the place. Why can’t logical men apply logic to their own religion but they can certainly apply it to disprove others? I urge you to think and apply logic and reason and common sense. Don’t believe a book. A book is not evidence. This book is full or errors and contradictions and most certainly is not the work of god. This is man-made fraud. RatingWilliam, you said: "I am going to give you substantive contradictions here below. There are hundreds of these in your own holy book that you won’t actually study and critique." I've started going through them and the verses you've selected, when read by themselves, seem to support your claims, but when read in context, that support vanishes. Have you read the surrounding verses to put the selected ones in context? For example, in all of the cases mentioned here, "IKI 22:23, 2CH 18:22, JE 4:10, JE 20:7, EZ 14:9 God deceives some of the prophets", God deceives "false" prophets in order to expose them or punish those who rely on them. Not every prophet mentioned in the Bible is a true prophet...you should know that based on your studies. In these verses "MT16;28, MK9:1, LK 9:27 Jesus says some of his listeners won’t die before he comes again." You or the book you reference have construed "the Kingdom of God" to mean Christ's second coming, even though these verses occur before Christ's death and resurrection. You also ignore the context, in which the verse following Luke 9:27, suggests that 9:27 was fulfilled only 8 days later when Jesus took Peter, James, and John up the mountain and introduced them to Moses and Elijah and they also heard the voice of God. I'll get to the rest soon, but ask that you personally verify some of these verses and not simply rely on a book, whose author has his own bias. You have to check the source.
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01-Oct-2013,
William said:
I don't believe you expect me to produce undeniable opposing evidence in a comment? You need a great website- like you've done here. Try these thoughts and facts with an open mind and logic and common sense, applied like you've aptly done on this website. There is nothing in the OT or NT that could not have been known by Bronze Age ancients. God could have thrown a plumb in there:)))) Something the mostly illiterate could not have possibly known. Like little bugs cause disease. The earth rotates around the sun. The earth is round. I made some dinosaurs back in the day, you'll dig them up some day. And don't blame me for earthquakes, tornadoes, volcanoes, flood etc. there is a scientific reason for those. Anything they couldn't have known. But there is nothing. Instead we get goofiness like this Leviticus 11.6, 14:49-53, 11:20-21, 1Samuel 5: 8-9 etc. Then you can get stoned to death for swearing, being an unruly child, homosexual etc. There many, many examples of this type of ridiculous stuff. Atrocities -there are dozens Numbers 31:17-18, 31-40. God orders Moses to slay thousands in another tribe but keep the virgins for the men. (Possibly this why genocide and rape don't make the Ten Commandments?) We shouldn't have to come up with rationalizations, excuses and apologies for a work purported inspired by God. Noah's ark myth can be found in at least 4 other religions with a different god and hero before the bible. And the New Testament, unfortunately, has nothing original in it. These are all gods or Demi-gods and I think we can agree they are man-made and do not exist. Born from a virgin: Dionysus, Adonis, Osiris, Perseus, Romulus, Attis Resurrected: Inana, Zalmoxis (Inana was crucified), Heracles Son of God-Romulus, Heracles Trinity: Zeus/Athena/Apollo, Serapis/Isis/Horus Miracles: Water to wine: Dionysus walked on water: Buddha Toss a net here get fish : Pythagorus (My list is far from complete ) Surely God didn't have to copy every single thing from prior gods that don't exist, as proof he exists and the NT is accurate? I can literally quotes hundreds of absurdities, atrocities and contradictions from the OT and NT. Why should a holy book be full of complete ridiculousness and errors but not a single piece of knowledge that these people couldn't have known. Anyway, don't accept this, rather research this, as the web- site exemplifies. I can go on but I probably did too much already. Thanks.:))))))RatingThis might take a while...
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28-Sep-2013,
William said:
The bible is written by men years after purported events. It is subject to the bias of the writers and was then further translated and edited. The OT is full of atrocities, absurdities, contradictions and ridiculousness. There are hundreds of them. Nothing is original in the NT. The virgin birth, resurrection, miracles, Holy Trinity are all copied from earlier religions with different gods, that I believe we can say do not exist. To have a credible god back in the day, it seemed these were required. That's the argument in a paragraph. :))) Someone who has the logic and willingness can research these statements and come up with a conclusion, if they can do it without inherent bias- which is exceeding difficult to do, and you need look no further than the Mormons posting here who claim, in the face of undeniable opposing evidence, that this site does not disprove their faith. RatingYes, the Bible was written by men years after the events. Yes, it is subject to bias (or perspective) of the authors, translators, etc. But if you believe in the existence of God and believe He wants to communicate with us, then you have to accept this imperfect mechanism (absent Him appearing himself). Faith is absolutely required to believe that the authors in the Bible were inspired by God through the Holy Spirit to spread "God's" words. We agree that other gods from other religions don't exist, but similarities with other religions or lack of originality is certainly not evidence of a counterfeit religion. By their very nature, religions are going to have necessary similarities with other religions. The belief in a god will necessarily convey upon that god certain powers that only a god can have. You seem to agree with that comment. Pointing to contradictions, unless they are substantive, is not a fair argument either, as various authors write from their own perspectives. i.e. did Christ feed 5000 or 4000 with the loaves and fishes? We know that the number was in the thousands based on 2 separate authors describing the miracle, but we certainly can't expect true accuracy in the numbers. If God says polygamy is wrong and then says it is OK, then that is substantive, but atrocities by people believing that they are doing God's will, as recorded in the Bible, should not be used to condemn God or the Bible. Can you provide a specific piece of evidence that I can address? Something that you feel reaches the level of "undeniable opposing evidence"? Thanks again for the feedback and I look forward to your response.
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26-Sep-2013,
William said:
This is an impressive amount of superbly compiled work. I looked into Mormonism, in a kind of research capacity, but it pales in comparison to this effort. Great job! I believe if we put the same effort in to analysis of other holy books, we will come to the same conclusion. It's easy to look at Mormonism and dispel it because there are huge amounts of information, that is relatively easy to get. ( Well, not easy, as I don't mean to underestimate this superb time,effort and research here) Compared to analyzing the Old and New Testaments, the BoM is more recent and we have more accessible information. But if a person spends unbias research time on it, the conclusion reached will be the same for other religions. It's getting past the inherent bias, that simply allows cognitive dissonance and we believe other religions are false, except the one we believe in. They are all fraudulent, unfortunately, and in my view. And this view is also based on research and effort.RatingThanks for the kudos. I, of course, disagree with your generalization on all religions, but you are certainly free to hold that opinion and argue for it.
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26-Jul-2013,
sasha hashly said:
god, his son, and the holy ghost are 3 different beings but work together to be one. in the bible it clearly states that after JESUS appeared god came down as a dove and said this is my beloved son... you know the rest so if you say they are one being then you are also disproving your church what do you have to say about thatRatingThe dove was the Holy Spirit. God's voice came from "above". God also appeared and spoke to Moses through a burning bush. All of these cases of God appearing to man and the Trinity are easily explained if God is omnipotent and omnipresent, which He is. Your belief that He is made of flesh and bones, limited to a physical body, and living on the planet Kolob does not fit with these Biblical accounts. This is how I view the Trinity, to put it in simple terms. We, who were created in God's image, have a physical body. We also believe we have a spirit, that is part of the body, but continues on after the body dies. We also have a mind, which represents our knowledge and our will. These 3 entities are one body, just as the Father (mind), the Son (the body), and the Holy Spirit are one God. I don't know if that's the truth, but it is one way to view the Trinity that is consistent with the Bible. Note that our body, spirit, and mind are all intrinsically connected, not simply working together to be one. Now let me ask you...if they are 3 different beings, are they each a God?
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26-Jul-2013,
sasha hasly said:
if you think your helping anything with website you are wrong. you are messing with a religion you know NOTHING about. who cares if your catholic Mormon or any other religion making a religion to hurt another religion does not make you worthy of going to any church. so many people don't believe in Mormonism and that's okay because I don't see any of them making a website to disprove another. that is wrong and you know what you only post Mormon comments that you can make up a stupid comeback for it. why don't you post all of them so people can make there own decision about the Mormon church. why can't you just drop this stupid act and let Mormons and other religions have peace seriously leave us alone we don't question are religion because we have read the whole book of Mormon word from word and prayed to god and I believe I am in the right church so do everyone a favor and leave the Mormons in peace but not until you apologize to everyone out there who you have hurt or bullied.RatingI find it sad that you equate getting told the truth with bullying. You are reacting like a Pharisee when Jesus told them the truth..."crucify Him, crucify Him!"
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26-Jul-2013,
sasha hasly said:
Mormons have a right to there religion we came from England so we could have freedom of RELIGION!!!!!! I bet you didn`t read the book of Mormon if you did then you didn't read it good enough. in second Nephi it clearly states that they created the book of Mormon because that god cared about people on both sides of the world and just because you don't believe in it doesn't mean that you can say very mean and WRONG things about it. read the whole book of Mormon and if you don't believe it then read it again I've read it a lot and I believe it. but it is not right to mess with are religion so that people who believe don't get mad at you. instead of telling you about my religion just come to my church once to check it out. if you truly believe it is wrong then pray to god so that you know your not saying the wrong stuff about the moron church I'll pray so that you find out the truth and don't be mean to all the churches you don't believe inRatingSasha, freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom from criticism. My exposing the falsehoods of your founder does nothing to prevent you from practicing a false religion. What have I said that was "mean" or "WRONG"? Challenge me intellectually...don't hide behind a misunderstanding of freedom of religion and a desire not to be "offended."
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17-Jul-2013,
jill said:
ok to start Mormonism is totally made up but so are all religions, anyone who knows so much what god wants I find it funny how it always coincides with there own beliefs. I was raised Jewish married a Episcopalian and am atheist. the fact that you made an entire website to disproving a religion is a total waste of your life like mine for writing this comment that your probably going take down. I could make a website devoted to flaws In the bible there are many... and plagiarism in the bible, I know a few stolen stories from the bible from earlier civilizations. joseph smith is just a modern bible writer no different from the old testament or the king james bible.. I admit the some of the Mormon beliefs are wacky (many wives, baptizing the dead, levels of heaven, black people being people following the devil etc..) but is that any less weird than virgin births, gods with multiple arms and elephant heads, 70 virgins given to you at ur death, all religions are filled with weird stuff)RatingJill, I have no problem with atheist remarks...I only ask that you back them up with evidence. Too often, people make HUGE generalizations, as you have done in your comment, and think they have made a great case. For instance, you suggest some Bible stories are stolen from earlier civilizations. But if the people in the Bible and the earlier civilization are reporting on the same event from two different perspectives, isn't a similar story exactly what you'd expect? The difference with Joseph Smith is also much more significant, since his claims have no basis in reality.
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21-Jun-2013,
ALG said:
I've been trying to brush up on my understanding of Mormons because I have some family members who are Mormon. I understand the appeal to those who come from no religious background or who were raised Mormon. But I don't get how anyone could become a part of it unless they simply didn't research it at all. Some of the values that are held seem great. For example, strong emphasis on the family, serving others, etc. However, it is the underlying motivation behind these values that gives me the "No" feeling. Once I started learning that the emphasis placed on family mostly amounts to building up the Church's headcount (there are about 1.7 billion christians and only about 14 million mormons) and serving others amounts to the theory that good works earn you a spot in Heaven, I was very put off. The Bible teaches that we should do these things because they are right and virtuous. Not because they get us into Heaven. If that were the case, what was the point of the crucifiction and resurrection of Jesus? Then, when I delved into the baptism of the dead, the Temple and the fact that you have to be confirmed before you can enter it, the belief that you must atone your own sins, the belief that God and Jesus were both physical bodies, the belief that God did not create anything, rather he organized existing matter, and so forth, it became almost laughable to me. I don't mean to offend, but it did. And I find that many of the Mormons I speak to are slow to discuss their beliefs but very quickly refer you to mormon.org. It makes me feel bad because I so badly want to reason with them (especially my family members) and get them to understand that this is really not what God wants for us. I think that a lot of times, people relate the comfort that comes with religion. It makes us feel good. But I begin to question a person's thought process when they buy into the Mormon church. It is so obviously a man-made religion, which is why it is so full of flaws, even just on the surface. Now, I know that there are many who are far better versed than I, so I do not pretend to know everything. But generally, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. If anyone would like to further discuss, I am open to it. I want to understand how this religion makes sense to anyone. RatingYou are experiencing the same thoughts I had 20 years ago when I started questioning my Mormon friends on their beliefs. The more I questioned, the more obvious it became that the religion was false and that my Mormon friends couldn't defend it. They responded that it was "against their religion to question it after they accepted that it was true." It was all about "feeling", not fact. Unfortunately, people are attracted to the values on the surface and ignore the flawed foundation that you pointed out. Heck, even someone as intelligent as Glenn Beck, someone I admire tremendously, has fallen for this false religion. Our only hope is that sites like mine can raise enough doubts in Mormon minds that they do some honest, objective research and not just assume it to be true because of a good feeling in their hearts.
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17-Jun-2013,
Bryan B. said:
I am curious as to how you got this information regarding the books of Mormon doctrine, Journal of Discources etc? It is extremely hard for me to find. I am grateful for your work.RatingActually, when I was in high school and started my research almost 20 years ago, I went to a Mormon bookstore and purchased a CD that had all of the Mormon scripture. It was DOS based, but searchable, and made my research a lot easier. You can find most of it online through LDS websites now too.
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17-Jun-2013,
Nigel said:
This is a lot of information to take in. It is going to take a while for me to go through this thanks for all this information. It would take me years to find even 10% of this stuff. RatingIt took years to put it all together. I'm glad you are finding it useful.
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16-Jun-2013,
Brennon B. said:
I am not completely done reading your website and I want to read Journal discourses, Mormon Doctrine and many other resourses that you have mentioned. I did however read the Book of Mormon. And on regards to the Blood Atonement I have never even heard of it. In the Book of Mormon Mosiah 3:11-12 is taken extremely out of context. It is not referring to the blood atonement but the original sin of Adam in that Christ has died to remove the original sin of Adam. But I must agree with Alma 34:11-14. It totally goes against the blood atonement thing and I agree that the doctrine of the blood atonement is false. Thank you I will continue to read your website and other sources as well. Rating 
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14-Jun-2013,
Fred said:
As a former Mormon, now Catholic (thanks be to God!), I find this site to be a gold mine! This is a great resource, and I can't thank you enough for all the time and energy you've put into it!RatingThanks Fred. I appreciate it. Can you share what event/information helped you realize that the Mormon religion was false?
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06-Jun-2013,
Nett said:
I love this site! I spent many hours on it journaling facts about Mormons in the back of their very own book! My husband and I are of a certain denomination and are very satisfied with our growing relationship with the Lord. The Mormons don't seem to understand that and we've had two meetings with them, but today will be the final one for sure. After all,we could be out giving the true gospel of Jesus Christ instead of wasting an 1 1/2 with them! Thanks a bunch for reading!Rating 
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10-May-2013,
Mike Haynes said:
I have been trying to get answers to the following questions from Mormon people that I know without success. Maybe someone can help me... 1) Why does the Mormon Church teach they are a "lay ministry" (non-paid), but the "higher ups" are paid, not just a salary but living expenses as well? Some even are given living accommodations. Why is this when the "bottom feeders" are unpaid, including the tens of thousands of Mormon missionaries who are recruiting new members have to pay for everything themselves. 2) Why are they referred to as "missionaries" when in reality, they are recruiters for the Mormon Church to get more tithe payers? Look up the definition of "missionary" it is nothing as to what the Mormons do on their "missions". 3) Why does the Mormon Church claim they are not racist, but taught that the only way a black man can get into heaven is to be a slave to a white person. 4) Why do they claim they "take care of their own" and "look after the poor" yet they are spending in excess of $6B on a shopping mall in SLC? RatingThese are great rhetorical questions, but if you are expecting an answer from a Mormon, don't hold your breath.
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27-Mar-2013,
Suzanne said:
Your site has been comforting to me, and I'd like to share a cautionary story about the Mormon Church. If you're thinking of joining, please consider my experience. Recently, on Current TV when Romney was running, there was a show where former Mormons were interviewed, and they told of an office within the church that is devoted to tracking former members. The show took its cameras to someone high up in the church to ask him, and he seemed extremely angry and evasive that this office exists. It sounds ludicrous that a church would spend money/time tracking former members, but it's true. Previously I mentioned being baptized in the Mormon Church at age 8, but by approx. age 13, I told my Mother I just didn't get it and didn't want to attend any longer. Thankfully for me, she allowed me to follow my own conscience. For years, I lived in the Pacific Northwest with no one from the church knocking on my door. Then we moved to Utah, and they "found" me. They would come over and say we need to know your "status with the church", and I would tell them, it's been over 40 years since I stepped into one of your buildings, so doesn't that give you a clue? Last year, we were fortunate to move across the country, thinking hooray, they won't bother us. Guess what? They must have friends in the US Postal Service in UT, because they were banging on our door and sending cards shortly after we moved. I returned the first card with a statement that the Mormon church was harrassing me, and another card was sent to me, basically stating I'm theirs, and if I want to leave, I need to go through the resignation process, speak with a bishop, etc. Dealing with the Mormon Church is, I would think, much like having a stalker. No matter how much you tell them you loathe and dispise them, they won't quit. In fact, it encourages them. A friend sent me a letter which former Mormons use to extricate themselves. Am hoping that works because being stalked is no way to live. I hope if you're seeking a church that you pray earnestly for God to show you the way. He is there, and He does answer our prayers.Rating 
On
06-Feb-2013,
Drew Lund said:
I am a senior in high school in the state of Washington. I have lived my entire life as a part of the Free Methodist denomination, so I was raised believing the bible, and the bible alone, is the Word. Because of this belief, supported by verses I've found in the bible itself, I have been frustrated for many years with the mormon religion. There are so many parts of their beliefs that sound so wrong, but I never knew how to support my thoughts. Another thing that has always gotten on my nerves is when somebody has a very strong opinion on a subject but lacks any real proof to back it up, so instead they just spit out statements that do nothing but illustrate how little they really know. That's why I have found your site extremely helpful in more ways than one. Not only do you have a calm, logical approach to this argument (unlike many people who don't know how to keep a level head), but you also provide far more evidence than is even necessary to prove your point. I also appreciate that you not only use evidence from the bible, but also from their own book of mormon AND even physical proof to methodically disprove their arguments. All in all, this website is extremely well written and researched, and I can't imagine how anyone could bring up a logical argument against anything it has to say. This has been very encouraging, and it has given me evidence I can use when talking to mormon friends of mine. Thank you, this site really has been a blessing.RatingThank you for the kind words. I'm glad that my site has helped. Unfortunately, as you have clearly observed, even in the face of overwhelming evidence, Mormons will choose to continue in their false religion. While I know my site has helped only a few Mormons leave that religion, it has been much more effective at showing the truth to those considering becoming a Mormon.
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28-Jan-2013,
ConcernedAtheist said:
Something I've always wondered about the Book of Mormon (apart from the plagiarism). Why is it that the claim is that it is a record taken from plates of gold, but when you read the bible verses used, it is clearly quoted in 17th century English. Even if the Mormon prophets had the words of Isaiah, wouldn't they sound different and not something coming from a 17th century bible translation?RatingAbsolutely. Mormons claim that Joseph Smith was just using the language he was familiar with...but even the King James English was dated for Smith's time. He clearly copied copiously from the King James Bible and had to continue use of that style to be consistent.
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01-Jul-2011,
Jerry said:
There is a greater proof of Joseph Smith’s plagiarism than you have expressed in 2 Nephi 24:12. It is a typical mistake of most plagiarists. Joseph Smith was no linguist. Therefore, he had no understanding of what he copied from the King James Bible. From Isaiah 14:12, the King James scholars decided to keep the proper name of the morning star, renamed by St. Jerome when he translated the Septuagint (Greek Scriptures) into Latin. St. Jerome used two Latin words, a verb and a noun, which means, “to bring light.” St. Jerome joined these two Latin words and capitalized the word, making it a proper noun. Now, understand that most ancient civilizations had a name for the morning star, the brightest star of the morning. Most had a different name for the brightest star of the evening, even though it was the same celestial body, the planet Venus. The Hebrews had a name for this bright star, “Heylel.” Regardless of the reasons St. Jerome had for renaming the morning star, and why the King James scholars chose to keep that name, Joseph Smith made a grave error when he copied that name. The name I’m referring to is, of course, “Lucifer.” The inclusion of that name is puzzling enough. How is it that these ancient gold plates, written in an ancient Egyptian text, contained a name of the morning star that had been renamed by St. Jerome long after the alleged writing on these gold plates? Joseph Smith claimed that, while he had no understanding of the Egyptian text, he did have use of the Urim and Tummim (misspelled and completely misunderstood), as well as the Angel Gabriel, to help translate this text. Perhaps the Archangel decided to go with the Latin version, rather than the original Hebrew name, and conveyed that name to Joseph Smith. Okay, not a great argument; but not completely beyond the realm of possibility. Ah, but Joseph Smith didn’t stop there. In the Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith wrote extensively on Lucifer. In fact, he claimed that, in primordial times, Lucifer was the name of an angel in Heaven, who later fell to Earth as the Devil. How is it that a fourth century Illyrian Catholic priest and apologist was able to stumble onto the primordial name of the Devil? For me, the use of Lucifer in 2 Nephi 24:12 is sufficient evidence to conclude that Joseph Smith plagiarized the King James Bible. As a teacher, it is not the correct answers common between two students, which proves that one copied from the other; it is the identical incorrect answers. After all, a correct answer is a correct answer. Identical anomalies will should prove sufficient. RatingExcellent info Jerry! Thanks!
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24-Jun-2011,
Oliver said:
Jolene makes a great point, albeit not one that disproves the validity of the Church. There is a constant struggle to get the LDS Church to change the manner in which they share information with law enforcement regarding child abuse. Sadly, this problem is not confined to just the LDS church though, and in my mind, this is one of the sickest crimes perpetrated by mankind.Rating 
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24-Jun-2011,
Suzanne said:
I've heard such comments as Jolene's from my early years growing up in the church. My mother told me of a Mormon bishop who "loved little children", and they were all afraid of him. As I've stated previously, I work around a lot of Mormons and am continually amazed at their so-called values. The other day, I noticed one of the guys in my carpool had a huge dent in his car. When I asked what happened, he told the other Mormon (he ignores me since he asked me THE QUESTION...could I ask what your religion is-- told him I could save him time--was Mormon--been there, done that--am not interested in your religion) so he says my relative wrecked the car and lied to me. I usually put earplugs in so I don't have to listen to their rhetoric, but I hadn't quite gotten them in and he said to the other guy (former bishopric member) I was going to turn it in as a hit and run... Occasionally, I do listen to them talk, and everything they say has been passed down from their parents or family. A guy I work with who's not Mormon said the other day--have you ever asked pointed questions like what is the Word of Wisdom to you? Or...what do you know about Christ, or ask some question about the Bible. You'll get many different answers. In mainstream religion, we have answers, and we can point to them. When I hear them talk, I pray that somewhere/somehow they'll be led to understand their church is built on untruths, that they don't have to strive for perfection--in God's eyes, they already are.Rating 
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16-Jun-2011,
Jolene West said:
"On 03-Sep-2009, zak k said: whatever you may beleive lds members are very kind and generous always willing to serve thy neighbour and community worlwide and does not have a well known culture of inquisition and crusades and pedophiles." I had NO intention on leaving a comment until I scrolled to the bottom and found the one above. Excuse me, did he really say there isn't a well known culture of inquisition, crusades, and pedophiles? He must not have heard about the Mountain Meadow Massacre? Also, mormons have just as much or more issues surrounding incest, pedophiles, and pornography, than any other religion; they just do a better job of hiding it. I was born into a devout mormon family, and thought there was something wrong with me, because I could never quite embrace the doctrine. At the age of 14, I found out my father had been a convicted pedophile. It sickened me to the core; my world shattered. To my relief, my mother finally divorced him while I was still in high school. We all wished she could have found the courage to do it sooner as I am the youngest of a large family. In my early twenties, I formally renounced any affiliation I had with mormons, and that was 35 years ago. During the early years of my marriage, my husband was a Salt Lake County Police Officer. Though he was asked many times to work in the juvenile department, he continually refused. His response; "I don't want to end up punching out a mormon bishop one day." His response stemmed from an experience where he was called in to arrest a pedophile, the mormon bishop was there and commenced to tell the officer's the man had repented, (yeah right). Then the attorney general wouldn't even allow the case to go to court, because after all, it's Utah, land of zion, and it would be a waste of tax payer dollars. I don't have exact statistics but I personally know of countless cases, where friends, relatives, nieces and nephews, have all been sexually abused by a family member. There is a HUGE number of pedophiles that hide behind the mormon religion. For years I've been silent, but I can no longer bare the lies that blind other members of my family. I'm so grateful for your site, and others such as; Exmormon.org, that expose the deception of JS and the early history of mormonism. Keep up the good work, and may your efforts be blessed.Rating 
On
16-Jun-2011,
Pam Thompson said:
I just came across your site while researching the Morman religion. It saddens me to think there are so many people who are mislead and deceived by this religion. Thank you for the information you have shared. We need to pray for God to open the eyes of those who are deceived and equip us with the tools to be able to reach them.RatingThanks Pam...I hope that my site provides as many of those tools as possible.
On
03-Jun-2011,
Jose Hurtado said:
I will accept the validity of Joseph Smith's "revelation" if I can have some sound proof that he is a man of God. I doubt a man of God would preach against polygamy in his first publication, and then approve of it in his following book. I doubt a man of God would be involved in a twisted fraternity such as the Freemasons, or use certain parts of the Bible to justify his teachings, but reject other scriptures. However, I will give JS credit for his crafty mind. He was clever enough to say the Bible was mistranslated so he could reject any scripture which condemns his teaching. However, I am puzzled at one point: why would God allow his Holy Word to go mistranslated for such a long period of time? Did God want to hide salvation for 1800 years? yeah, that sounds like the loving God of Mormonism, a pig who can't make up his mind, who hate blacks, views women as property, and who is about as smart as an average human being (see Theological Proof: Man’s Intelligence).Rating 
On
02-Jun-2011,
Colton said:
After reading this site, I would have to say, marvelous job on the research. Half of my family's Mormon, and they get incredibly pissed when you question some questionable things in a questionable thing such as Mormonism. The Bible teaches us to give reasons as to why we believe, and most Mormons cannot even give good, logical reasons as to why they believe. Being someone who was cynical their whole life, I don't accept blind faiths, and most Mormons are believing in a blind faith. I dare any Mormon to read this evidence on this site then ask themselves, "Do I REALLY believe in Mormonism?" But sadly, most humans are too ignorant to recognize their own ignorance.Rating 
On
26-May-2011,
Oliver said:
"How in the world could the government forced us to give the blacks the priesthood?" The unofficial real reason is a threat by the IRS regarding racial gender and tax exempt status. The LDS Church is very, very, very concerned that it keeps it's tax exempt status clean, and unencumbered. They even mention this in the "Church Handbook." Rating 
On
21-May-2011,
LindaSDF said:
1. http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/FQ_Abraham.shtml 2. Since this is not scripture, this is Joseph SMith's theories and not church doctrine. 3. Paul's statement does not say just the opposite, it says that, however many gods there might be, real or imagined, for US, there is ONE God, our Heavenly Father, and ONE LORD, our Saviour Jesus Christ. 4. God has told us, that as it is, it is still "profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." (2 Timothy 3:16, 17), as is the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine & Covenants, etc. 5. Who said it wasn't God who commanded us to cease the practice of plural marriage? And how in the world could the government have forced us to give blacks the4 priesthood? That goes strictly against the First Amendment. But then, they did that with plural marriage, too, so why not with the priesthood? Right? Every group has freedom of religion, except the Mormons? That's what you're saying it seems.Rating1. Thanks for pointing to another apologist site that doesn't answer the question. 2. So your prophet, who speaks to God, says something you believe to be false and you justify it by saying it isn't church doctrine??? 3. The previous statement says clearly "there is none other God but one" and then Paul reinforces the statement. You are attempting to take his statement completely out of context and inserting your own language "real or imagined" to support your false claims. 4. Try again. 5. It wasn't God because God never would have told you to practice polygamy in the first place...and the US government would not have granted statehood to Utah without it ending. Same thing with the priesthood...your church waited until it was politically expedient to make the change...it was not a principaled position. Where do I say the Mormons don't have the right to practice their religion? They absolutely have the right to practice a false religion and I have the right to inform them of that fact.
On
28-Apr-2011,
Sarah said:
I just read Plagiarism and I am having trouble understanding why people use these things to dis-credit Joseph Smith? It seems like a good argument but when you bring into account that Joseph Smith RESTORED the Gospel well than of course there would be similarities in the Bible. The more the better I always say...that means that we have managed to preserve at least some truth. Great job with your research! RatingSarah, it isn't a matter of providing "similar" teachings...the issue is the copying, word for word, of over 20 chapters from Isaiah as translated in the King James Bible. Even if the alleged Book of Mormon authors had Isaiah available to them, the translation by Joseph Smith would not match word for word with the King James scribes, who predated Joseph Smith by 3 centuries. Nor do I find it plausible that a prophet would quote that extensively from another prophet. Then, there is also the quoting from the New Testament and Old Testament prophets (Malachi) that were not available to the alleged Book of Mormon authors, who would have been separated by time (Book of Mormon authors predate the authors they are quoting) and an ocean.
On
28-Apr-2011,
Sarah said:
I am a Mormon and I have to say, I liked the part titled "Physical Proof".It is my view that if everybody started with Adam and Eve, than we were taught by Adam and Eve. After they died we carried on our own interpretation of their traditions. I like that there are similar depictions out there other than just what is in the Book of Abraham, it makes the above scenario more real. I also found the translation of the Leiden Hypocephalus (similar to Facsimile#2) to be VERY intriguing- Scene 8-15 Joseph Smith: For sections 8-11: "Contains writings that cannot be revealed unto the world; but is to be had in the Holy Temple of God..." For sections 12-15: "will be given in the own due time of the Lord." Michael Rhodes: Line 8 reads: "Grant that the soul of the Osiris, Shishaq, may live (eternally)." Very interesting article! :)RatingThanks for the comment Sarah.
On
17-Apr-2011,
Suzanne said:
We've lived in UT for nearly 12 years. I recently learned there's a huge Danish population here--many people were "recruited" by the Mormon Church in the early 1900's. My friend's Grandmother/Grandfather were two of them. They were told if they came to UT, the church would take care of them, so they left everything and everyone they knew and moved to a foreign country, only to realize they could sink or swim, but the church was not going to help them. They nearly starved, but her Grandfather was extremely industrious and through hard work, bought a lot of land. They were lucky, but only because they figured out they had to keep attending church to make nice with these people or they would starve. When her one Grandfather died, he was buried in Masonic clothing. When the other one died, he was buried in Mormon garments. Guess what? They were exactly alike! Go look at the SLC temple, and you can see the Masonic markings on the outside. Also, I recommend reading No Man Knows My History, a well written book about Joseph Smith--a book that is banned reading for any Mormon. My faith teaches me that God loves me, faults and all, and he doesn't need me to continue striving for perfection--in His eyes, I'm already there.Rating 
On
15-Apr-2011,
Oliver said:
Had a discussion with an LDS friend of mine the other day on why his claim of being an LDS Christian was over reaching. Then it occurred to me that the vast members of the church really don't give a hoot about their origins or what their gospel tells them. They just know, and don't hesitate to tell you that it is the one "true church." Well, let us review a few of these beliefs and tell me that it is the true church of God. The Book of Mormon given to JS Smith by God? errr no, it was written by Solomon Spaulding. God lives on a planet called Kolob. Two tribes of Hebrews came to the Americas in "U boats" and formed a new civilization….none of which, of course, can be substantiated by artifacts, DNA, or any other method. To be Christian is to believe in the atonement of sin. It is the belief that Jesus was the son of God, and through his teachings, and a belief in him, you shall achieve eternal salvation….Mormons don't buy this version of Christ. It is like saying you are a Laker fan just because you put the shirt on. In fact, a pretty interesting discussion on this was an interview by the "Prophet Hinkley" done in Paris. He says that the Christ most people believe in is not the Mormon Christ.. Most of us believe in equality. Mormons believe that men are superior to women in every regard, that it is "delightful" to be white, women are their most prized possessions, and if you are gay, well to hell with you. Having problems with the foundations of the church? No problem, "It is not spiritually healthy to delve into the history of the church." I still, to this day, feel absolutely terrible for spreading this gospel on my mission. I'm glad the statute of limitations ran out a long time ago for perpetuating, aiding, and conspiracy to commit fraud. Rating 
On
10-Apr-2011,
Timothy Brown said:
Mormons hear this! My post was shrewd but true. I live in southern Utah and the Mormons I know and love Hide some of their lies and other sins, but say they simply repent of the not so dark sins. Christians can see you're living under the rule of the leadership of the church, like the words of wisdom. If you go against the word that JS set up as rule, on top of the 10 commandments, you are controlled under the law which produces unworthiness. Christians through reading and understanding the Jesus of the bible grow into a humble relationship With Jesus by doing what He teaches: He is the sin offering for ALL the sins of the world which is of no value to the person struggling to be good. I wouldn't be rude about it, but real Christians can see your phony goodness. ask Jesus into your personal space where you can lay all your sins at his feet and stop pretending to be a non sinner. Are you an adulterer? Jesus said: " If you look at a woman with a lustful eye you've committed adultery in your heart. Trust me, you will be less of a sinner when you live in Jesus' loving mercy, instead of Gods punishing wrath! Grace IS the vehicle that will allow you eternal life! If authority and obedience are the elements that Generate Eternal life, you really need to look at the ending result, step outside of Mormonism and take another look. These truths are only good if you personally ask Jesus into your heart. Rating 
On
06-Apr-2011,
Timothy Brown said:
SPJ, I don' know if you know it but the rituals of the Mormon temple are not of God but coincide with the rituals of the Freemason secret society of Which Joseph Smith was High ranking. The brain washing of the Mormon members is done using the Lie "family is central to gods plan" That sets off what is known as cognitive Dissonence. That means that you won't give up those you love most for a word you don't understand GRACE You'll say you believe the bible but the truth is you cannot believe the bible! The bible doesn't make sense to you! You are told that the book of Mormon is true and it's not Joseph Smith Invented some stories and names that sound biblical. He even invented a false prophet called Alma who said Jesus will be born in Jerusalem, AAAH, a couple of phony tribes called lamenites and nephites. sounds good. prove it. Sir there is a reason you are lashing out on us followers of the true Jesus. It's because You know in your heart it's all fake but you must hold on to your wife and kids for ever instead of a Jesus you will never know! Jesus is central to God's plan! Dude don't be stubborn. Go to a bible believing church where you'll find the worship of Jesus, the joy of Jesus, the warmth of Jesus, the truth of Jesus the love of Jesus, the Mercy of Jesus You'll learn that you now longer have to Try to follow Jesus or hope you make it to heaven. When you become born again like the bible says: "unless a man be born again he can not see the kingdom of the God" That means you won't understand the bible until you are born again! Born again is a relationship with The Loving Jesus! Then the beautiful, awesome, exciting, saving words of God will make sense to you. But not until then. Listen. It's all about Him not you. Rating 
On
02-Apr-2011,
Gary Olsen said:
During the Protestant Reformation in the early 1500s, a familiar term regarding salvation was "sola fide," Latin for "by faith alone." The reformers, at that time, accused the Catholic Church of departing from the "simple purity of the Gospel" of Jesus Christ. They stated it was faith alone, without works of any kind, that brought a believer to eternal life. They defined this faith as "the confidence of man, associated with the certainty of salvation, because the merciful Father will forgive sins because of Christ's sake." This view of salvation is a crucial issue because it strikes at the very heart of the Gospel message eternal life. Roman Catholicism teaches that we are not saved by faith alone. The Church has taught this since 30 A.D. as part of the Divine Revelation. The truth of the Catholic Church's teaching can be demonstrated from Sacred Scripture alone. All who claim the title "Christian" will be able to agree on the following two truths: salvation is by grace alone (Ephesians 2:8) and salvation is through Christ alone (Acts 4:12). These biblical facts will be our foundation as we explain the teaching of the Catholic Church. If we take a concordance and look up every occurrence of the word "faith," we come up with an undeniable fact the only time the phrase "faith alone" is used in the entire Bible is when it is condemned (James 2:24). The epistle of James only mentions it in the negative sense. Paul speaks of faith as a life-long process, never as a one-time experience (Philippians 2:12). He never assumes he has nothing to worry about. If he did, his words in (1 Corinthians 9:24-27) would be nonsensical. He reiterates the same point again in his second letter to Corinth (2 Corinthians 13:5). He takes nothing for granted, yet all would agree if anyone was "born again" it certainly was Paul. Our Lord and Savior spoke of the same thing by "remaining in Him" (John 15:1-11). Paul tells us our faith is living and can go through many stages. It never stays permanently fixed after a single conversion experience no matter how genuine or sincere. Our faith can be shipwrecked (1 Timothy 1:19), departed from (1 Timothy 4:1), disowned (1 Timothy 5:8) wandered from (1 Timothy 6:10), and missed (1 Timothy 6:21). Christians do not have a "waiver" that exempts them from these verses. The Catholic Church has never taught we "earn" our salvation. It is an inheritance (Galatians 5:21), freely given to anyone who becomes a child of God (1 John 3:1), so long as they remain that way (John 15:1-11). You can't earn it but you can lose the free gift given from the Father (James 1:17). From a lecture by Sal CeresiRating 
On
02-Apr-2011,
SPJ said:
memo to all these so-called evangelical "christians" out there who think they have any authority to damn a member of the mormon faith to hell,Christ is our lord and SAVIOR and JUDGE and did i mention SAVIOR? just because they dont believe in the inept beliefs as the mainstream culture of orthodox christianity does not expell them from being a christian,it astounds me today and im quite embarASSed to belong to the christian faith when you people are harrassing,berrating,slandering and go as for as lying and mis-representing their beliefs the mormon faith and the mormon leaders,i thought christians were to bring people to christ?? but instead you guys are totally wasting your time and effort on a faith you know little to none of,its unfortunate that bigotry still exist in this very country that was founded on religous principle and liberties,i challenge you guys to make amends with your mormon brothers and sisters who follow Jesus Christ the best that they can,time to remove that beams in your eyes,really if anything all of you who mock and slander the mormon faith just proves your insecure in your own religion,your ignorance and bigotry towards the mormon faith you guys arent doing anyone any favors it just adds more fuel to the fire,you guys are on a sinking ship,what a bunch dirtbags you are!RatingSPJ, there are certainly some who approach Mormons with the wrong message, but let's not over generalize. You posted the comment to my site and spoke of many lies and mis-representations of Mormon beliefs. Where has my site done that? Please provide specifics. If you actually take the time to read the information I provide, most of which comes from Mormon scriptures, you might learn something that you didn't even know.
On
31-Jan-2011,
Timothy Brown said:
I am so concerned about LDS members! I'm also concerned what kind of prophet JS WAS. Approach any Mormon. Tell them the bible says there's nothing you have to do to earn your place in heaven except love Jesus & they won't believe you, "the bible is written by man and is corrupted". tell them there's only 1 God they'll agree with you. Yet Brigham Young says there's many gods. In my earlier days if you told them that Jesus is God they would argue with you. Now the authority is allowing that concept I guess! There's gotta be a way to show members that the love of Jesus is a personal, individual relationship with Him that will produce a joyful sense of his forgiveness and loving presence! Verses an unloving distant god who is ready to punish and cut them off from the eternal family spin. How can anyone reject the wonderful things that are offered in the bible! Members! You are rejecting the grace that Jesus has for those who love Him. Leading me to a brand new question! Members do you love Him! The New Testament is full of information that teaches born again Christians how to grow in his love! Mysteriously funny thing about it! Only "born again (personal relationship with Him) Christians can understand it. (They don't call us saved for noth'n. Woohoo!!) Jesus truly loves you members and is patiently waiting for you to abandon your false prophets and worthless obedience. Darn now I have to explain worthless obedience. I mean: If you don't trust in the !00 % free grace That Jesus offers in His word! You are rejecting his word! and in turn rejecting Him! So If there's any members reading this post. don't touch the bible til you can pray the sinners prayer and mean it! Its as simple as this: I ask you Jesus to come into my heart, and be my lord and savior.I am a sinner, forgive me of my sins. I confess you as Lord and savior of my life, I give you my life and ask that you would give me your holy spirit to take control of my life from this point on thank you Jesus, amen. I know he's waiting! Rating 
On
25-Jan-2011,
Timothy Brown said:
I am so beside myself trying to figure out a way to show Mormon members the way to the true Jesus. Those Mormon Prophets really know how to keep the illusion going. I wonder if in the Hierarchy leadership system they know the concept of grace. that they could redirect the destiny of millions of precious saints and direct them to Jesus who will be waiting with open arms. Probably not! President Monson probably don't know any better himself. He probably believes that he's going to be a god upon his death. Well I doubt it. Anyone who has read the bible should be able to see that Eternity with Jesus is for those who except his grace. not all that other stuff and try to save themself. I'm praying for those saints to become saved!Rating 
On
19-Dec-2010,
Timothy Brown said:
Kyle. Christianity is based on the love that Jesus has for us as individuals and the love that we grow in our hearts for Jesus! "He is the true God and eternal life." (1st John 5:20). When you realize that by simply loving Jesus, He gives you a desire to not sin, but you will sin! it's your nature You'll realize that you don't deserve the beautiful, awesome gift of life eternal with Him, then he tells you (bible) that what he did on the cross is what paid for your sins. This is the GRACE! Do not underestimate that word Grace. Grace is not just an element of the love of Jesus! Grace is the mechanism that affords us eternal life. Kyle. Please Listen! You've been miss led. Please, please hear what I'm telling you. When you put anything in the place of Grace, like any kind of church rule or recommend you are saying that you don't believe that Jesus really died on the cross for you. that is the Gospel! That is what you need to be telling the kid who sits next to you in your college class or the man next door in your free time not 2 years in another country. Christianity is not a religion! It is a relationship with Jesus Christ. If you want a real blessing? Bring some one to the real kingdom of Jesus and Jesus will be giving you a crown. Kyle Read the bible every word in it is 100% true. God authored the bible through several true prophets. I wrote this post with the love of Jesus in my heart not the pride of I'm right and you're wrong. God bless everyone who reads this post! Rating 
On
16-Dec-2010,
Oliver said:
Kyle, you proclaim the lds faith to be Christian because it is contained in the name of your church? Wow, that is spiritually and logically sound argument. I am sure the rest of the millions of people in the world that question mormons being Christians are breathing a big sigh of relief. BTW Kyle, can you use of your divine influence with God to get the United States to join Switzerland in regards to mormon missionaries? After 2012, the Swiss government will no longer admit any lds missionaries into the country. Can we PLEASE sign up for this program?Rating 
On
15-Dec-2010,
Kyle said:
I can understand youre doubts about mormonism as God has given us all minds with the ability to question and form opinions and i do not in any way bash you for what you post here and i can actually see what youre trying to do and it isnt malicious at all because you are doing what any good christian would do which is to declare your faith and to testify of what you believe to be true and so i thank you for youre intentions but i do still disagree with the information you present on here.. i am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and i can say that without a doubt i wholeheartedly believe in this church and my faith is unwavering i believe that Joseph Smtih was called as a Prophet to RESTORE not create the true church of God. There is evidence in the Bible as well as in the Book of Mormon that point to the fact that there would be an apostasy, i gained my testimony not from a simple good feeling inside of me but i have done my research ive prayed about it and i received confirmation in heart and mind this religion is the most logical to me and as you said logic and religious are not exclusively separate.. the teachings all make sense to me and are supported by the Bible, lets just say that you are right and that the founders of this church were false in what they started (which i in no way believe) i would urge you to look into the modern state of the church you see today we peform ordinances that no other church on this earth practice today which are stated as necessary in the Bible such as Baptisms for the Dead supported by 1 Corinthians 15:29 and i dont see any other christian faiths in which there are temples which are necessary to perform such ordinances since there is no other church that has these things incorporated it leads me to believe that this church is the real deal it all ties together and makes sense..in regards to you calling Joseph Smith a false prophet this would imply that there are correct prophets as well and the way to find out is to test their fruits and if they are good then it must be true for a clean fountain cannot produce poison just as a poisoned fountain cannot poduce clean water.. look at the things we do in our church and you will see there is nothing that contradicts the teachings of Jesus Christ, we are a very service oriented church and serving your fellow man is essentially serving God.. i would urge you to reconsider your thought about us and read with real purpose and real intent without having made a pre thought out decision in your head that it is false, and one more thing in closing in regards to us being referred to as non-christian it makes no sense to say that the evidence is in our name.. The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints it is completely illogical to call us unchristian because we have a few doctrinal differences.. because in all christian faiths there are slight differences in belief but no one calls them unchristian for it.. christian comes from Christs name and if one excercises faith in Christ then to me they are a christian no matter the difference of doctrines.. i say this to you as a future missionary for my church as i depart in january to teach and serve the people in Colombia and i leave this as a testimony of my faith to any who care to read it. I know that Christs true church was RESTORED to this earth by the prophet Joseph Smith and that he was called of God for this divine task and i know that what i believe to be true i know that Jesus Christ is my Savior and my Redeemer and that he is the Only Begotten Son of God, I leave this with you in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.RatingKyle, thanks for the courteous post, but please read my Book of Abraham page. It is physical proof that Joseph Smith was a fraud. Read it and tell me where I'm wrong; tell me why Joseph Smith can be trusted given that information. On the use of the word Christian, if I say I am a Christian but claim that Christ is only a man, not the son of God, and that he never actually raised from the dead, would you have a problem with that? What if I called my church, "Jesus Christ's True Church"? Would that give me the right to call myself a Christian? It is not the name of the church or the name of the person you revere, it is what you believe about Jesus that makes you a Christian or not.
On
05-Dec-2010,
Suzanne said:
It's been a while since I visited your website. I was raised in the Mormon religion until I was a teen, at which time I begged my mother to let me quit going--just never "got it". Years later, I found Christ in the Episcopal Church. I finally figured out that I didn't have to obey, or listen to uneducated people called to give advice. My older sister also did not attend church during her lifetime, but her spouse died and she went back to the church. She has been diagnosed with Parkinson's and MS. After a series of sad incidents, she came to live near us after having been away for 2 years. She has been so financially burdened, yet, the church people prey on the elderly in our area. I found out in order to be "worthy" enough to wear garments and go to the temple, she has had to give 10% of what she gets to the church. There are other elderly folks who live around us, and they tell stories of the church men coming to their homes to ask about their finances. So is this religion all about money?? It angers me because we see people who can hardly buy groceries, yet the church squeezes every cent they can get from them. No other real church would do that, I guarantee you! If you're looking for God, he will find you with no expectation of a 10% tithe.Rating 
On
01-Dec-2010,
Jose Hurtado said:
Mike, the webmaster is basing his beliefs on the Bible; it just so happens that the webmaster is catholic and the Bible supports much of catholic belief. How does the Bible support Mormonism? I am not asking for one mistranslated verse which leaves us wondering, "How did that belief come from that verse?"Rating 
On
01-Dec-2010,
Oliver said:
Mike, let us pretend for a minute that you are correct. The Catholics believe that the keys to their church was handed to them by God, to Peter. This is mentioned in 7 different books in the New Testament. Peter was a saint, and is almost always listed as the first disciple. Joe Smith, on the other hand, is not listed anywhere. Peter was a virtuous man of God. Smith was incapable of uttering the truth, a convicted cheater, had sexual relations with girls under the age of fifteen, and changed changed his word of "God" to fit his whim. Yes, I can see how comparing the foundations of Catholicism and Mormonism might not be a good idea.Rating 
On
29-Nov-2010,
Mike said:
You have wasted a ludicrous amount of time. As for Theological Proof, you have not disproved the Mormon religion, you've simply combatted it with the specific beliefs of Catholicism that contradict those of Mormonism.RatingMike, my Theological proof is based on the English language translation of the Bible and the Book of Mormon...why is it that the God of the Mormons conceals His doctrines in "scripture" that contradicts those doctrines? You Mormons always have to add words, which reverse the meaning of the verses as written in order to support your beliefs. Take a look at the Physical proof, which is not subject to interpretation and then hit me with your best shot.
On
03-Nov-2010,
Jose Hurtado said:
When Melissa said that books have been taken out of the Bible, she was true to a point. In the first centuary, all the standard books of the New Testament were written. In later centuaries, other forged books were written by false teachers much like Joseph Smith. One example would be "The Gospel of Thomas," written in the second centuary when Thomas was supposed to be dead. Other forged books were written under the name of an Apostle or a New Testament Character to promote false doctines. The majority of these books were written by a heretical movement called Gnosticism, teaching that only a select few would obtain a saving knowledge called "gonsis". According to such gnosis, the God of the Old Testament was a lesser god created by a goddess Named Sophia, and other gods were born from higher celestial beings. Does this remind you of anything? Gnostics also claimed they alone had authority to teach about God, yet they blamed the church for "unfairly" rejecting them. Does this also sound familiar?Rating 
On
12-Oct-2010,
Melissa said:
I am Mormon. I in no way agree with what you have said but I understand how you can be confused about somethings you have read. If you will allow me I would like to clear up just a couple things. In regards to the 11th Article of Faith, it isn't saying that it is ok to worship other Gods. It means to be tolerant of others beliefs (does this sound familiar to the 1st amendment to the Constitution?) You also say that we believe that the Book of Mormon is superior to the Bible. I can honestly say that is something I was never taught. You could say we believe the Book of Mormon is more correct. The Book of Mormon has not been known about as long, it hasn't been passed through multiple peoples hands and through different religions who can interpret it incorrectly. The Bible, on the other hand, has been around for centuries. Books have been taken out of it and things changed simply to fit the doctrine of the religion who was using it. We fully believe what happened in the Bible but as stated "as long as it is translated correctly". And can you blame us? You wouldn't want to be taught how to live out of a book that had been changed simply for others gain. That is all I have to say and I hope it may help you not to see us in such a horrible light. And if I could ask you a favor, before you go on belittling more of our beliefs, look in to the full text and ask others before posting things without knowing the full truth or taking things out of context. If you fully believe what you are doing is right then good for you for trying to help others. But I know the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is true and you are hurting yourself more than you could ever hurt God's church. May God be with you always.RatingMelissa, thanks for taking a kind approach in your comments. I am doing this to truly help Mormons, so don't think this is a drive by website. I have debated extensively with the most prominent Mormon apologists, and they all eventually retreat in the face of overwhelming evidence that Joseph Smith was a false prophet. If you have not read my Book of Abraham page, please do...I recently udpated it to counter every defense that Mormons raise regarding that so-called scripture. On your article of faith comment, I suggest you use the Bible instead of the Constitution to validate your beliefs. While the US Constitution is an amazing documents, I think we would both agree that the Bible is the only authoritative source for this discussion.
On
10-Oct-2010,
Timothy Brown said:
Precious members. If you're not sure of your salvation (Most say "I hope so") or think you're going to some lesser heaven. Speak this prayer to Jesus in a personal way, from your heart. Then read the books of John, Acts and Romans.......... Paul of Tarsus is tons more believable than Joseph Smith. ( Now i ask you Jesus to come into my heart, and be my lord and savior.I am a sinner, forgive me of my sins. I confess you as Lord and savior of my life, I give you my life and ask that you would give me your holy spirit to take control of my life from this point on thank you Jesus, amen.) As I said before, we Chistrians only want to see you members saved. I attended an LDS baptism Saturday. All involved believe that submersion makes you fresh, clean, pure members of Heavenly Father's true church, A new start they say. My prayer for all members is for you to come to the true Jesus. Please don't think to yourselves "I am worshiping the true Jesus". I have President Hinkely on tape saying "The Jesus of the Bible is not the same Jesus we worship". Real Christians humbly admit the inability to overcome sin. So trust us when we ask you to be born again via the sinners prayer. Humble yourself, get on your knees and pray it, read the New Testament. There is true joy in the WORD. I am a member too and can see the contrast. My testimony is that the bible becomes understandable after being born again (Saved by Grace) Understanding what Jesus teaches is the essence of eternal life. No doubt!. Oh! You probably won't hear to many Christians proclaim they believe in Paul of Tarsus or Luke or John. though we do. Now you can replace trying to be good enough with the loving, awesome, loving foundation of Jesus Christ who is the true God.Rating 
On
26-Aug-2010,
Oliver said:
Indeed the two religions are similar. To expound on the original poster, Muslims and Mormons are the only religions that claim to be "The" religion of God. Both treat their women as slightly more than seminal vessels to propagate, support, and ask no questions. Both religions ignore criticism out of hand, and wrap themselves in the cloak of, "it must be true if so many oppose it." Both religions require a specific clothing to be worn, and both are completely intolerant of alternative lifestyles. I would also argue that neither is christian, both stand in the way of progressive dogma, and believe that countries should be run by their religious leaders. Rating 
On
25-Aug-2010,
Jose Hurtado said:
There are a lot of interesting simularities between Mormonism and Islam. For instance, Mormons and Muslims bothe believe that the Bible is inspired, yet horrible mistranslated. Another simularity is how Joseph Smith and Muhammad recieved their message; from an angel. In addition, Mormons and Muslims both go through manditory fasting and giving to their religous community; though the requirements dffer. Need something else? The Pilgramge site at Mecca is forbidded to non Muslims like the LDS temples, and both have simular architecture.Rating 
On
11-Aug-2010,
Oliver said:
Or I guess we could run television ads around the country and say "Hey, we are normal just like you." You do this because every religion advertises on TV....Oh, wait, I guess they don't. Sort of an interesting duality that you have to run a TV ad to convince normal people that you are normal....RatingDon't those ads irritate the heck out of you!
On
31-Jul-2010,
Oliver said:
Perhaps we could reduce the validity of LDS church being the true church of God down to one simple question....Would God disallow a female to enter his church if she was wearing a pant suit instead of a dress?Rating 
On
27-Jul-2010,
Stan said:
For the Mormons who whine and complain when people challenging the truthfulness of their church, consider who it was that attacked ALL other religions and creeds. "I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were abomination in His sight; that those professors were all corrupt." - Smith's 1st Vision. Rating 
On
25-Jul-2010,
Jose Hurtado said:
One Mormon belief is that they are a restoration of the original church. Far from it! The original church leaders lived in poverty, just like their followers, and they did not demand their followers to tithe to them anually. In Mormonism, the leaders of have incrediable finacial demands on their followers, and they live in extreme wealth. I doubt the original church had such demands.Rating 
On
21-Jul-2010,
Allen said:
"On 08-Jun-2009, Melody Mott said: I think that no matter what church you go to, we all beleive in GOD who is our heavnely father and the one that die for us all on the cross. I hate people that put other people down for what they beleive in."However the LDS church teaches that God is not Jesus. That God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost are three separate beings with a singular cause. Therefore by your own statement God did not die on the cross for us.The LDS church has three conflicting teachings on the nature of God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost. One is that they are separate beings with a singular cause. A second is that they are one being that manifests as three. The third is that God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost are separate beings that hail from the planet Kolob and were once simple men who rose to godhood along side many others. All three of these teachings are available on LDS.org.Even my former bishop can't make heads or tails of it. I love this site and all the wonderful information I've come across because of it.RatingGreat points Allen...Thanks!
On
17-Jul-2010,
jason said:
thank you so much for this site. if mormons truly believe in the bible then they would know their religion is an abomination. "And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." KING JAMES VERSIONmay God have mercy on your souls and show you the way before its too late.Rating 
On
12-Jul-2010,
Timothy Brown said:
Wow. Fun reading! Do I sense a little rebellious backlash in some of you L D S members. Mainstream Christians who are truly born again only want to see L D S members saved. You think because we are not under the law, we are not obeying the lord. We have the 10 commandments to show us that we are sinners! We must not live in guilt and worry, because that makes us a prisoner to the law. Now because Jesus is the end of the law we are slaves to love, because Jesus tells us to love! It is so refreshing to be a prisoner to Jesus. Lovers of the loving Jesus sometime try to hard to bring the lost to the true Jesus. Born again Christians need to realize that devout L D S members were taught the wrong book first, blocking the ability to put the true word into their heart. You've been falsely told the bible is not true Members don't study verses like1 John 5:20 ("where it says We Know the son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true, even his son Jesus Christ who is the true God and eternal life.") because they're convinced it's not true. I'm here to tell you the Bible is true. You need to read it, study it and digest it because it is the will and TESTAMENT of our one and only God, our Lord Jesus Christ. Yes you can say the same thing about the book of Mormon and we would study it. The hard part about that is, the authors of the Mormon books lose their credibility with zero historical proofs and multiple false prophesies! I weep at the stubborn denial of my friends & family who can't see the truth or won't research it (study the true word) for fear of excommunication.Jesus says again and again about Grace that he is speaking the truth. When you chose to live by the rules of the church instead of excepting the free gift of God, you are calling Jesus a liar. It is not the Grace of God + be good by keeping the commandments. You must depend on Grace alone. The fear will disappear! Rating 
On
01-Jun-2010,
Jose Hurtado said:
If Mormonism is true; then God let the world go into darkness for a long period of human history (thus denying us godhood, and the only thing to connect to him we had was a mistranslated Bible. That does not sound like a God of love; that is the god of a twisted Cult!Rating 
On
31-May-2010,
Michelle said:
Before my family joined the LDS church we asked MANY questions, and all were answered. I "church hopped" to find a religion that I felt was true. This was the ONLY church where the members acted the same way Mon-Sat, like they did on Sunday at church. This is the only church where you see young adults willing to take 2 years of their lives to do nothing but to help others, they give up tv, music, their family and friends to truly spread the word of Jesus and to teach. The wonderful beauty of America is that we have the freedom of religion, it seems that your time would have been much better spent strengthing your religion they tearing down some one elses. Religion should be based uppon attraction. RatingMichelle, religion should be based on TRUTH, not attraction...
On
24-May-2010,
Robert said:
Thanks for the hard work and the systematic attempt at shedding some light for us all. I was first exposed to the remarkable work of the LDS when I was in the army (1980s). There was a strong sub-culture of LDS that "took care of their own" in a real and tangible way. The emphasis on family and good works was quite impressive to me as a young Christian and I was ashamed that much of the Church doesn't do as good of a job living out their faith in a visible way as most of the Mormons.That said, I have been very troubled lately by the overt attempt to go "mainstream" ecumenical by the LDS. The propaganda is very impressive and attempts to desensitize us to the very word "cult". There seems to be a program (in our culture as well as Mormonism) to make our language equivocal rather than univocal and worship a "mush-god" that changes with our tastes and fickle sensitivities. The fruit of this program reveals the author of it. And he is not Jesus' brother by any ridiculous fantasy.I am a creature. But the Good News is that the Creator loves me. And in the awful paradox of my sin and separation I can learn about holiness and God and a love that would otherwise be unknowable. When I was a child I sought after perfection and to win affection by some good deed. When I became a man I discovered that wasn’t really love at all. I like my “non-god” status. In fact, I would rather shovel poop out in God’s barn than be lord over a great land (or world). I love Him and my only desire is that I can find a way just to be nearer to Him… Rating 
On
23-May-2010,
Joel Heaton said:
My last post was on May 15th, the day that we Latter Day Saints celebrate the restoration of the Priesthood of God back to man. This took place with Joseph Smith, Jr. and Oliver Cowdery present where first John The Baptist came and later Peter, James and John to personally confer the Priesthood on them connecting the link back to Christ that was lost. This was necessitated because of the abuse and subsequent loss of the Priesthood after the original twelve apostles died. (Do you really want to go through the gory details?) It was prophesied by Paul that there would be a FALLING AWAY before Christ came again.ll Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;As with all Priesthood there is always more than one witness to the event. Were Joseph and Oliver both duped? It's like the witnesses to the Book of Mormon plates, did all eleven not claim to have witnessed the plates etc.? Were they all duped? Pretty soon it gets to the point of being ridiculous when people challenge that the plates never existed. Matthew 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.II Corinthians 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.Now do you really want to put the Catholic Church on trial to make the claim that there is an unbroken line of authority back to Peter? It will get the the point of being absurd I promise. One thing that knowledgeable Catholics almost universally agree on is the necessity of that Priesthood going back to Peter who received it from Christ.Joseph's and Oliver's claim to divine restoration is preferable as to the alternative Catholic version with, and I say again, all it's gory details. We have common ground however in that there needs to be a line of Priesthood authority back to Peter and subsequently to Christ.The balls in your court Chris.....going to post this?RatingSee my response to Allen on the 30th of March, 2010.
On
18-May-2010,
Petros said:
Thank you for your wonderful site. Might I suggest that you add to your site by comparing the beliefs and practices of Mormonism to the Catholic Church and the teachings of Church Fathers (the last two of which are the same). I believe this would add a new level to your site and evangelize at the same time. Dominus tecum.RatingGreat suggestion Petros, and as I state in my motivation page, I do not want Mormons to give up faith in God. But, in order to debate them without relying on sources they don't consider valid, I refrain from that approach.
On
17-May-2010,
Oliver said:
The argument that Mr. Heaton tries to enumerate here is interesting, completely wrong, but interesting. First, I have read a great deal about Catholicism, and I have yet to come across any documents stating the audacity of the Pope having the title of prophet, seerer, and revelater. Although some of these popes may have had some demons to content with I doubt very much that any of them claimed to be able to stick their head in a velvet bag and divine water, treasure, and the word of God. I don't think any of the popes managed to steal from their own bank, nor did any of them have the magic ability to completely fabricate an entire "book" from egyptian funeral scrolls. And come to think of it, I don't remember any of those popes going out into the world and telling everyone within ear shot that black people bear the mark of Cain, or that women are are their most prized possession. Mr. Heaton, elevating J. Smith and the ones that followed him to that of a pope is repugnant in any sense of the word. Rating 
On
15-May-2010,
Joel Heaton said:
Now lets talk about how Galations 1:6-8 applies to Catholicism:"I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel-- which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned."Lets talk about the Popes vs LDS Prophets and then decide who we want to follow. First the Pope was declared to be infallible in the Vatican Council of 1867-70. Prior to that the debate went on whether he was or not. Mormons do not believe their prophet is infallible contrary to popular belief of some LDS and non LDS alike.There have been roughly 265 popes. One span went 3 years without a pope. there was 3 at one time for a while. There may have been a female pope. Lastly there have been 33 Anti-Popes. There have been numerous inadequate popes along the way. To the Catholic Church's credit there have been some wonderful men called to the Papacy John Paul II being one.Latter Days Saints claim 16 men to be Prophets, Seers and Revelators in these last days. All wonderfully prepared men that were not infallible but bore there responsibilities to the world in an honorable manner. Four knew the Prophet Joseph Smith personally. These were good Christian men in every sense of the word with a mandate to build the kingdom of God on the Earth.With the history of the Catholic Church compared to the Church of the Restoration, I will take the restoration over any other church's history.More importantly we have an open canon of scripture and open revelation to help guide us through these perilous times of the last days.One last thought. I think that most people agree that Latter Day Saints are really good people. They might think they are disillusioned, but seldom do I here that they are not good as a people. If all good comes from God, "Why do you kick against the pricks?"RatingJoel, I think you jumped to conclusions on this one too quick. The infallibility of the Pope "extends to all the elements of doctrine, including moral doctrine, without which the saving truths of the faith cannot be preserved, expounded, or observed." - From the Catechism of the Catholic Church. The infallibility applies to the Pope's pronouncements on doctrine and morality, not on his personal life. We are all sinners and becoming Pope doesn't change that. Even Peter denied Christ 3 times. Now let's take a brief look at Joseph Smith: he was arrested for fraud by claiming he could find buried treasure using seer stones...the same stones that he later called the Urim and Thummim. He married at least 34 wives, 11 of which were already married, and 2 of which were only 14 years old (see the link on my Polygamy page). On your last comment, I completely agree that Mormons are good people and live the Christian life very well, but that has never been the issue...the issue is the faith that you profess, a faith which I believe is not only wrong, but dangerous to your souls, which requires action on my part, especially because I know of the information that proves my point of view. You don't have to accept it, but it is my Christian duty to present the information. God Bless you and your family Joel.
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15-May-2010,
Joel Heaton said:
On your site under "Faith""I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel-- which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned."Your Comments:Paul's warning has not been heeded by Mormons.My Comments:Paul was talking to a church that he probably set up ( We do not really know which one) about its defection back to Judaism. I really do not see the connection to Mormons. Yours:He warned us that different gospels could come from both apostles and angels, meaning that the mere appearance of the messenger or who they claim to have authority from should not sway us. My Comments:Right he warns of an apostasy. Which did happen, hence the need for a restoration back to the truth.Your Comments:Even if we think the message comes directly from God through the Holy Spirit, we should evaluate the message against what we know to be of God before accepting it as true.My Comments:Every true believing Mormon or convert has done this and has had it revealed to them that the path through The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the true church and the way back to God.Your Comments: If the message is different than what has already been preached in the New Testament, then it should be condemned along with the messenger who brought it. My Comments:What does the New Testament have to do with it. I really do not see this, as when Paul wrote this there was no New Testament. You take liberties. I would submit the the restored gospel the Latter Day Saints have is not different.Your Comments:Paul did not ask us to pray about the new gospel,My Comments:He does not ask us to pray or not to pray. Here you put words in Paul’s mouth that just isn’t there.Your Comments: he asked us to use our intellectual capabilities to compare it to what we already know to be the Lord's gospel.My Comments:As pointed out above your reasoning has nothing to do with this scripture. Your conclusions are yours and yours alone.Your Comments: Is that how Mormons determine if the Book of Mormon is true? No.My Comments:Thank heavens Mormons do not. It is a mass of confusion the way you put it and without divine guidance by study and prayer and revelation, revelation being the Rock of the gospel it is difficult to find the truth.Please do not say that Mormons do not study and reason to know the truth. We do and then there is a higher way of reasoning and that is revelation from God. Not having to rely on guys like you that have never had it. It’s a beautiful fulfilling thing. It puts one at peace with Heaven and Earth and gives direction. You can have it too as God is no respecter of persons. Try it you’ll like it.Bet you don't post this! (-:RatingJoel, here's a quote from a Mormon I'm currently debating...a very common sentiment I get in most of my debates with Mormons: "...feelings do determine truth in my life, I am sorry that you cannot accept that. I do not know how to better convince you that 'logic' plays a minor role in religion." Basically, your statement that you have a higher way of reasoning is code for "we don't use reasoning at all, but rely on feelings." By the way, the New Testament contains the teachings Paul was referring to...maybe you should do more "reasoning" about the subject.
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13-May-2010,
Paula said:
Macy. Christian Grace vs. Mormon Grace. Alpha Omega website. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. (Ephesians 2:8-10). Yea, come unto Christ, and be perfected in him, and deny yourselves of all ungodliness; and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and love God with all your might, mind, and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you (Moroni 10:32, Book of Mormon)Rating 
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12-May-2010,
Paula said:
Macy. Read the New Testament. It warns, 'If an Angel comes to you and tells you another way, a better way, let that Angel be accursed.' We are saved by faith, through Grace in Jesus Christ, not by works that no man may boast. We throw ourselves on the mercy of Jesus. We are complete sinners and saints, at the same time. We believe Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit are one. God of God, Light of Light, Begotten not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made. We pray to Jesus because He is the Way, the Truth and the Light. My Mormon friend begs me to pray to the Heavenly Father. I pray to Jesus. We are saying the same words, Jesus, God, but they have completely different meanings. Yours cannot save. You are praying to one god of this universe, but LDS says there are an infinite number of gods. You have been fooled and generations will keep baptizing dead people, wearing the right undergarments, and being super good, super nice. We are super good, super nice, but that won't get us into Heaven. Only the blood of Jesus. Rating 
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10-May-2010,
Oliver said:
Macy, as a former missionary, I have seen the inside of hundreds of meeting houses (I can't quite call them churches), temples, etc. So I am pretty sure that I know what I am talking about when I make my criticisms of your religion. But any arguments I or my friends could postulate here would be lost on your unshakable testimony. So I just challenge you to do one simple thing. Trot on down to your Bishop's office after sacrament meeting this Sunday. Ask him if it is true that Joe Smith engaged in sexual activities with 14 year old daughters of his friends BEFORE D&C 132 was revealed to him. Or, ask him if it is true that Smith tried to sell the B 0f M before he printed it? Or, if Smith took out membership in the Methodist church AFTER the so called first vision...Rating 
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08-May-2010,
Suzanne said:
To Macy who commented on my recent post. What about what we are saying is a lie or an untruth?? I was raised until age 14 in the LDS church when I begged my mother not to make me go any longer. Thankfully, she relented. I guarantee you that if you went to your Bishop and said you know, I want to ask questions about what we're being taught. If you wouldn't take no for an answer and continued to pursue the questions, you would be excommunicated. My friend's father was a Bishop--he committed suicide; her sister also committed suicide. When their youngest brother went on a mission and came back and started asking questions of the church, they told him to be quiet. When he continued to pursue things he wanted answers to, he was indeed excommunicated. No other mainstream church would do that. They would point to scripture in the Bible to help you get answers. The whole point of your religion is to be subservient. Men are in charge, and women are to remain "pure". Meanwhile, I've never seen so many angry, back-biting people, who are frustrated with their lives because they are trying to reach perfection. Humans aren't perfect, and God knows this, yet He loves us as we are.Rating 
On
08-May-2010,
Jose Hurtado said:
When a Mormon says "I believe" or "we believe" they are really saying "I was trained to say." What most Mormons do not get is how often their beliefs can be and have been changed or altered. All the current prophet needs to do is issue a new doctorine, and it is "truth," no matter what the Bible, Book of Mormon, or any other writings Mormons use say.RatingThis is exactly the point made in my Faith page. Thanks for reinforcing it.
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08-May-2010,
Allen said:
I come back to this site several times a week, both because of the information within it and the various resources that are provided. What amuses me however is the sheer number of people that make the claim "you must've never been to a LDS church, you'd know the truth if you had!" Many of us that come here are recovering members of the Mormon beliefs. I've passed the sacrament, performed blessings, been to the temple, even baptized someone; throughout it all the joy of life slowly slipped away from me and it wasn't until I realized what the church had done to me that I took control of my life back and have been happier than ever. This site, and the information shown by the creator, helped me to see what was going on but in no way did any of it actually influence me. If I hadn't started looking into who Joseph Smith was, and what kind of person he was, I probably would have ended up lieing to myself to make the people in the church happy. When I can find a ward or branch that does not have 3 or more girls who were sexually abused by the priesthood holders that is when I'll know things are finally looking up for the members.Rating 
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08-May-2010,
Stubbycat said:
To Macy: From what I see on this site, it is correct regarding Mormonism. I sense that Joe Smith's sect is worse than non- christian. It so deviates from the healing Love of the Master that everything possible must be done to warn the unsuspecting public. You preach that people can become gods through Mormonism, the "only true church" which is a reflection of the serpent's statement and spirit, "Ye shall be as gods." What Jesus taught and what the New Testament truthfully says is "now are ye the sons of God." In fact, we are already the spiritual children of Spirit. If only we would wake up to this fact and accept this blessed status.Rating 
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08-May-2010,
stubbycat said:
When Jesus commended Peter, the Master also said, "And upon this rock I will build my church." This did not refer to Peter the man, but the Truth of Peter's recognition of the Annointed One. If you're going to preach the truth about Mormons, apply the same truth standard to Catholocism. Far from worshipping a mystery, the great Teacher sacrificed his human life to prove that life is GOD, infinite and forever operating and that the real man is now the Son, just as Jesus taught. It is time that mortals discover spiritual man and themselves spiritual, not material. Thanks.RatingThe name Peter means "the Rock"...Peter is exactly what Jesus was referring to in that verse.
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07-May-2010,
Macy said:
I am LDS. I would just like to say that this site is a perfect "example of untruths that have been passed down" (I quote from one of the comments below). Have any of you been to an LDS church? Have any of you taken the missionary lessons? You are most likely basing everything on this site from what other people have said or from false sources. More than half of the 'facts' are not true. If you want to know the truth, go to mormon.org or lds.org. I invite all of you reading this to open your hearts and attend a church session or invite the missionaries in. I promise that if you do this, you will be blessed.RatingMacy, my sources are all Mormon publications...the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Journal of Discourses...these are the words of your prophets. Just because they make your church look bad doesn't make my use of them untrue or invalid.
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04-May-2010,
Man of Clarity said:
All of Christianity can be disproved using the same worn out scriptural techniques used by this website. It comes down to faith my friends - believing in something you cannot see. The Bible is full of contradictions and other verses that when cleverly put together can make it seem like it is all wrong. I urge to purchase the upcoming book "The Biblical Roots of Mormonism" to find out the truth. God bless you all. RatingIt doesn't take any clever twisting of Mormon scripture to show that your religion is false...it is in plain sight. It takes clever twisting and denial of the clear and meaningful contradictions for Mormons to maintain their faith. You say faith is believing in something you can't see, but Mormons believe in something despite the things they do see...that is not faith, but blind faith.
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02-May-2010,
Suzanne said:
My older sister was married in 1957. She'd been fully indoctrinated into the Mormon faith, while I was very skeptical--even at a very young age. After their marriage in the Mormon Temple in SLC, I noticed she was wearing the Mormon garments, and I asked her why she had to wear them. She told me a story obviously passed down through the years, that there was a Mormon couple found in a terrible fire, and when they discovered their bodies, they were burned everywhere but where the garments touched. Even at age 8, I thought why has this not been written somewhere for everyone to see? This must be one of the true miracles of the ages. Yet have we ever read anything about this in science journals? No, because it isn't true. When I asked why, I was told this is sacred--it's only for people who believe in our faith. This is just another example of untruths that have been passed down. Rating 
On
01-May-2010,
Dawn said:
This is a fantastic site!!! The information is spot on, without being hateful. It amazes me that mormons can say the book of mormon is the restoration of the true gospel, which is blasphemous to a real christian, and not be considered anti-christian. The sheer number of people who fall for this mormon stuff is so sad. I am also amazed at how they preach the truth, but anyone who doesn't agree with them is a hater.Rating 
On
27-Apr-2010,
Jose Hurtado said:
I see this website as the ultimate "dare" for Mormons; If their religoin is as true as they say it is, then they can challenge their beliefs without fear of being proven wrong. If their beliefs are false, then they have something to hide, and challanging their beliefs will expose the falsehood in Mormonsim. RatingExactly right!
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25-Apr-2010,
Kevin said:
A lot of people don't look at the history of America when looking at the LDS religion. No where in the bible has god every given gifts or signs of monetary value (IE ten commandments). It just so happens that in the 1830's Jackson's "good ol boy" nature led him to deplete federal banks to benefit his friends, which led to a massive depression which Van Buren was left to clean up. Gold was power, paper money was worthless. In that time there would be no better way to grab attention then with a god who writes on golden tablets. Rating 
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21-Apr-2010,
Bret said:
When you read the sheer volume of text in the Book of Mormon, which at last check is 527 pages (two columns), consider how many gold plates it would take to contain that much text. Reformed Egyptian or not, that's a lot of gold plates. I mean a LOT of gold plates. Especially when you consider you can only engrave on one side, according to some of the "books" of copper plates that have been found in Mesopotamia. And gold is a very dense, very heavy metal. And Joseph Smith apparently muscled this monstrosity into the back of a wagon... and didn't break an axle... Come on. (PS, when Mormons point to the existence of "books" of copper plates as proof of concept for the Plates of Nephi, they ignore the fact that NONE of those "books" contained more than four plates bound.)RatingExcellent point!
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20-Apr-2010,
indygramma said:
here are question's i have and need answered. the golden plates,,,,,,,,,, why would god and the angle meroni perserve the golden plates for over 1400 years tobe disregared in the translation process? if this book was translated by the gift and the powerful god..........why have there been thousands of corrections to the book of mormon? RatingObviously, because God can't spell ;)
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18-Apr-2010,
Paula said:
To see why Christians believe mormonism is a cult, see: the Mormon Curtain, Eight Signs of a Cult. (One sign is an Us vs. Them or we are The Chosen Few mentality). No one is denying mormons are super good, super nice, love family, God and country. If I explain our religion is not a 'system to be worked', there 'ain't no list', God cannot love you more than he does at this very moment, we are 'attacking' their faith. Missionaries (which every member is a missionary) are professing their faith, but if I profess mine, I am leading them away from the 'one true church.' Its twisted thinking. I was open to learning about their religion, but if I say one word about mine, the walls go up. Rating 
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16-Apr-2010,
Haley said:
This is WRONG. You are WRONG!!! If you took more time to study it you would know how WRONG you are. Mormons believe every word of the bible!!! The bible is gods way of telling us of old prophets. The Book of Mormon, D&C, and the Pearl of Great Price are a way of telling us the words of the new prophets. Joseph Smith translated it by the power of God. And it makes me so sad to see someone making fun of the True Church.RatingHaley, I appreciate your sincere belief in Joseph Smith as a prophet...but the FACTS speak for themselves. Joseph Smith was a charlatan and he has led millions away from the Jesus of the Bible. Please read my entire site and evaluate my arguments and evidence. Make an informed decision about being a Mormon and don't rely on good feelings to sustain your faith.
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16-Apr-2010,
Paula said:
At first I thought your site was pro-mormonism. If you google mormon cults, a mormon has a website promoting mormons as a cult in a 'good way'. Thank you for seeing the truth and teaching, acknowledging and helping us out here who are thrown into relationships with mormons. I am in the Bible Belt. A TBM mormon family moved in. I had no knowledge of mormonism and it has been a fascinating journey for me regarding true Christianity, cults and how seemingly intelligent loving people and be so sincerely wrong. No newspapers, cable, television, strict obedience in every possible way (fasting, tithing, food (storage, organic, no preservatives), pure academic success in every way, yet so much striving, asking for favors, not knowing any boundaries (when to leave), not really wanting to be true friends but just a someone to compare themselves to, a little above the rest of us. Feeling sorry somehow they cannot help us. We believe Ephesians 'saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, not by works that no man may boast.' Yet their entire faith is based on eternal progression, even God was man that 'progressed' to become worthy. I found much help in Hank Hannegraff, Mormon Research Ministry, James Potter debating Christianity vs. Mormonism, the Alpha Omega Ministries, Mormon Coffee website, Exmormon Lyndon on YouTube at Exmormon Conference, YouTube vide Bible vs. Book of Mormon. My journey has led me closer to my religion, my god and a deeper understanding of how much I was missing not knowing how much God pours His Love, Grace, Mercy, and Forgiveness on us. Our children being 'spirit brothers', and telling us 'all other churches were Satan' turned out to be a good thing, though at the time, I could not imagine more hurtful words ever spoken.Rating 
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15-Apr-2010,
CPC said:
My understanding of Mormonism is nothing like what this site says it is. How could it be bad or wrong to worship Christ. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is the name of this "Mormon" religion. If those who visit this site consider themselves christians then they shouldn't have any problem how worshipers of Christ go about worshiping Christ. Love God and love thy neighbor. It is what Christ would want of us all. In my opinion fighting against those that follow Christ is nothing short of fighting against Christ. If the "Mormons" are so wrong in their beliefs then why not let Christ deal with them. This is a good site though. It will strengthen the vigilant while at the same time break down those of little faith. RatingThe Christ that Mormons worship is not the same Christ of the Bible...I believe Christ would want us to fight against the spreading of lies about Him.
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15-Apr-2010,
chapin said:
I have to say that I fell upon this site by accident. I am very sad to see that we spend our time making sites to disprove churches, and religions simply because we may not agree.The beauty of our country is that we have those freedoms to choose.I would love to see the maker of this sight use all that time and effort to better the world by helping improve world hunger, or clothe the naked or get involved with his community to make a change that will really M E A N something and will have really helped another someday.As for the proving or disproving, no where in any scriptures that I have ever read are we told as followers of God that we are to be judge and jury!The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints should have the same rights as anyother church.And furthermore, the Bible says the righteous WILL be persecuted!RatingNo one is attacking the Mormons' right to practice their religion...my site only provides information to those seeking the truth. With all the information, we can make better decisions on how we want to live our lives. Also, don't confuse judging a belief or a practice with judging a human...the first we are supposed to do, the latter is God's job.
On
30-Mar-2010,
Allen said:
Under the "True Church" heading you ask where there was room for the Church to fall into apostasy. You don't touch on how after Jesus was Crucified some of his apostles denied him, and those who didn't were hunted down and killed. This seems to open up the room for apostasy to set in. I would love to see you go a bit more indepth about this.Another topic you might approach is that some members of the LDS Church believe that God is married, but can give no scriptural reference to it. Is there any actual backing to this, or is it simply people trying to humanize God?RatingOn the apostasy issue, I don't dispute that there were "fallings away"...the Reformation was one such apostasy. The Mormon religion, however, is based on the claim that the Church fell into TOTAL apostasy, and was therefore no longer God's church on earth until Joseph Smith restored it. This, as I point out, goes against Jesus' promise to be with His Church until the end of time. On God being married, they don't need scripture, because they have their living prophets who have "revealed" it to them. They actually believe God has many wives, as you must be in a polygamous marriage to attain godhood.
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28-Mar-2010,
Deanna said:
Funny, I have read all of your crazy comments about the Mormon Church, and didn't find one thing that "disproved" it. You should take the time to really study the Book of Mormon and ask Heavenly Father to show you by the Spirit that it is true! You would be amazed, the Lord still loves you but He does not like what you are saying about His church! RatingDeanna, when intellectual reasoning and evidence don't play a role in your decision to believe in Mormonism, it comes as no surprise that you weren't convinced. Unfortunately for you, God is rational.
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17-Mar-2010,
Bradford Coates said:
I would suggest the book MORMON AMERICA to anyone looking to understand the modern mormon religion. I think the founders were,lets just say,questionable!!! Please investigate before joining this cause.Rating 
On
13-Mar-2010,
Suzanne said:
I didn't know until I found my faith that people don't have to be "told" how to live their lives. Think about it--none of your clergy are very well educated--how can they tell you how you need to live your life? Do you really think God doesn't have anything else to do so He speaks to them directly? He doesn't work that way. There isn't one Mormon I work with--and believe me, I work with a lot of them--that thinks on their own about faith. It's all spoon fed. They even speak phrases I used to hear as a child, which have been passed down forever. In other religions, you're allowed to question scripture. Only cults require blind obedience. RatingGreat comment!
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12-Mar-2010,
J.C. said:
First off, I want to address the previous comment. Jennifer, whether or not you believe in Mormonism, I think it's ironic how you can call the LDS church a cult. Last time I checked, a cults didn't teach about Jesus Christ and wonderful values. Being a member, I believe that it requires faith AND logic to be Mormon, which is why this church is so great. It makes perfect sense in so many ways. God is loving and wants the best for us. This site claims that eternal marriage is false, but, if God loves us so much, why wouldn't he want us to live with our families forever? In the polygamy section it shows Jacob 2:24,27 as proof that God didn't approve of David and Solomon's multiple wives. HOWEVER, it is taken out of context! If you read the other verses, God is displeased with the people for using David and Solomon to justify their polygamous acts. David and solomon were specifically called by God to have many wives to have many children. The LDS church is perfectly organized, exactly as Christ's church of old, and no other church is. As fellow Christians, I know that their are many good churches. They just don't have the FULLNESS of Jesus Christ's gospel.RatingJ.C., how does having a different gospel fulfill the gospel?...Jesus himself brought the fullness of the gospel. To claim that additional teachings were required is to ignore the purpose for which Jesus came to this world. I also find it funny that you say God was displeased with people for using David and Solomon to justify their polygamous acts...that's exactly what Joseph Smith did! And just because you're not married in heaven doesn't mean you can't be with your family in heaven...why don't you just take Jesus' word on the subject?
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08-Mar-2010,
Me said:
You know its Really sad that you have time to do this and Make fun of the Lords True Church here on the Earth. I KNOW THAT THE CHRUCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS IS THE TRUE CHURCH ON THE EARTH TODAY. How to I know, simple I asked Heavenly Father, Or as you Call him GOD. God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, and by that he gave Revelations to his People in the time of old, why can't he now. Infact I know he can, because he has told me though the Holy Ghost that This is his Church on the Earth, that the Book of Mormon is True, and he Does infact have a Living Prophet even Thomas S. Monson. I know these to be true, and anything you say or Do can not persuade me otherwise. I say this in the Name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ Amen. RatingYou say God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, but that goes against your church's teaching on eternal progression. I know that my response is rational, and therefore, does not apply, so I pray that the Holy Ghost snaps you out of your blindness...see the previous comment by Richard.
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07-Mar-2010,
Richard said:
I love your site! I have included a link on my facebook page. I come from a strict mormon family and I know all to well how the church really is! I am a direct descendant of Brigham young. All I can say about that is he was as crazy as he was smart. Not to bash on my family but I have done a lot of research of my own. Everything I've read on your site checks out, but you have only touched the tip of the iceberg! The amount of information and evidence could take a lifetime to study. Keep up the good work! By the way, to those who are offended by this site, I say this man has been very kind and is only offering you the truth! Sometimes the truth hurts. As for myself, I wasted too many years believing the Mormon lies. It's ok to be proven wrong, it's only then that you can begin to live in the truth! thanks and God bless everyone!RatingThanks!
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05-Mar-2010,
Tobin said:
I spent some time perusing your website and like most anti-mormon websites, it contains many of the myriad of falsities which have been launched at mormons for years. I do appreciate the time you took to put this together though; and I shall refer to it in the future. It is often time-consuming to find and source many of these baseless and false arguments when I speak with people unfamiliar with mormonism and your website will prove invaluable for this purpose. I get a sense after reviewing your statements that you are confident you are correct in your position, so no reasoned discussion with you is likely to dissuade you. However, I would like to state to you that we shall see who is correct when we all stand before God to be judged.RatingTobin, you accuse me of being unwilling to budge on my views, yet what are you doing by just dismissing my arguments as tired, old arguments? We can debate til kingdom come about the meaning of Bible verses, but the evidence that I and others provide regarding the Book of Abraham is solid...your church cannot refute it...Joseph Smith was a fraud. Yes, I am firm in my position, because it is based in fact and not feeling.
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24-Feb-2010,
Ashley said:
ok people dont need to judge mormons. half of what people say about mormons dont even know the religon.they just go by on what they heard.really if ur ganna judge a religon u should know about it first.mormon is a very good religon.so stop judgeing it because u dont know anything about.we are what we are an we are proud of it so stop puting the other mormons down with lies.learn about it maby go to a mormon church or read the book of mormon bc u dont know anything about us.an we believe in bpth the bible an the book of mormon.so shutup an stop with all the lies!!!!!!!!!!!!RatingThanks for your calm and educated response.
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19-Feb-2010,
Dave said:
I've been all over your site here, and all I can say is that it is a shame to see such a herculean effort of time and energy go for naught. Sadly, in spite of all your efforts, you have simply proven(or should I say "disproven") NOTHING!!! But merely rendered your own elementary interpretations of the bible and all other evidence you have presented. I pity the small minds you have swayed here. I suggest you concentrate more on removing the beam that is in your own eye first, then you will be able to see more clearly to help your neighbor remove the mote that is in theirs.RatingGod passed His gospel to us in simple language, so that even the simplest of minds could hear and understand it. The simple fact is that God speaks clearly through the Bible that there is only one God, made up of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. It is Mormons who have to add language and interpretations that go directly against the plain language of the Bible in order to support their beliefs. It is also Mormons who have to concoct wild theories to cling to Joseph Smith's interpretation of pagan Egyptian texts into the Book of Abraham, a Mormon scripture that is a provable fabrication. You can do nothing but scoff at my arguments because you know that you can't respond to them in any meaningful way.
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16-Feb-2010,
Steven C said:
Although I would agree that the mormon religion has many flaws and unanswered questions, I would like to point out that in your attempt to put together a logical, true and sound argument you made at least one mistake. You did a very good job of organizing your argument, I will say that. In arguments one makes a statement, and supports it with a fact. You did make several statements in an effort to remove credibility from the mormon religion, however you did not back them up with facts. You mistakenly backed them up with quotes from the Bible. I was and still am a bit disappointed that you spent so much time doing an excellent job organizing your information and putting together a nice website, and then waste it. Simple logic rules follow that one cannot disprove an idea by employing another idea which is also unproven to be true, valid and sound. In essence, your arguments using "common sense" and the bible to refute the mormon religion do not hold ground in an argument of facts and logic. I suggest as a fix that you take a more Socratic approach to disprove or at least open up the doors to other opportunities of belief for those who read your work. In this manner your readers can come to only one conclusion but they do it on their own, and thus are less close-minded which may provide better results. Just a suggestion; Other than that I really think you have done a nice job here.RatingThanks for the advice Steven, but in this particular case, I am using the Bible to argue against the Mormon positions because both sides of the argument accept the premise that the Bible is true and an authoritative source for discussing the nature of God, etc. I think you'd agree that in arguments over faith, you have to have an agreed upon source of faith...I obviously could not quote the Bible in an attempt to challenge a Muslim. You may find my arguments regarding the Book of Abraham fit the Socratic approach much better.
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02-Feb-2010,
Tom said:
Bible: II Kings 25:7 "And they slew the sons of Zedekiah before his eyes, and put out the eyes of Zedekiah..." - Jeremiah 39:6 "Then the king of Babylon slew the sons of Zedekiah in Riblah before his eyes: also the king of Babylon slew all the nobles of Judah." Book of Mormon: Heleman 8:21 "...Will ye say that the sons of Zedekiah were not slain, all except it were Mulek? Yea, and do ye not behold that the seed of Zedekiah are with us, and they were driven out of the land of Jerusalem?..." There is no mention of a son of Zedekiah named Mulek in the Bible, and it says that his sons were slain. But the Book of Mormon contradicts and says that his son, Mulek, lived. Non Mormon Yohanan Aharoni headed the Department of Archaeology at Tel Aviv University. He claimed that one of the sons of King Zedekiah was named MalkiYahu, because of a discovery of a seal with…MalkiYahu, son of the King. Ancient Hebrew had no vowels and Mulek would carry the proper root consonants for an abbreviated form of MalkiYahu. Many other non Mormon Near Eastern Specialist agreed that… MalkiYahu, son of the King….could be a son of King Zedekiah and that the short form of the name could be Mulek. They say that the vowels could be a Phoenician pronunciation. When shown the Book of Mormon listed Mulek as one of the Kings sons one said…If Joseph Smith came up with that one, he did pretty good……you got to love archaeology…RatingThis shows the lengths Mormons go to justify Joseph Smith...yet when they look at my Book of Mormon videos and discussion, which show that Joseph Smith couldn't even get the correct gender of the Egyptian gods in Facs 3, they say we just haven't learned enough. The Book of Abraham is the only scripture produced by Joseph Smith that we can compare to the source...and Joseph Smith was completely wrong.
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31-Jan-2010,
Curious Christian said:
My mother in law got my attention to the Mormon Religion the other day simply by handing me a book... "Out Of Mormonism" by Judy Robertson. I am a Baptist with no intentions on becoming a Mormon, though this particular book had me questioning alot in the Mormon Faith. I am not one to question anyones beliefs but I had a few things I wanted to know like "Do they really wear the Covering of Lucifer?" or "Will they really attempt to cut your throat if you tell their secrets?" Your site is astonishing and helped me with alot of my research. I hope that Mormonism isn't just another "CULT", it would be a shame to see God leave those behind. Thank you.Rating 
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27-Jan-2010,
Lanie said:
As as a young LDS, I must say that your site impressed me. My parents still force me to go to church with them, and while I have no grudge against the church or any of its teachings, I have realized that there are many things in the LDS church that just doesn't make sense. I will continue searching for my own answers, and I will keep many of the things you discussed in mind. Thank you for sharing this, and even more, thank you for stating your opinion without attacking the church. I highly respect those who voice their opinion like you did: in a calm, sophisticated manner.RatingThanks for the kind comments Lanie...glad I could help. Feel free to send me any questions you have and God bless you on your search for the truth.
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23-Dec-2009,
Suzanne said:
Other old and established religions encourage religious discourse. I live in a state where people all around me are LDS, and they love to tell others about their faith, but let another person express something about theirs, and the conversation ends. I quit going to the church over 45+ years ago with no contact from them. They found me when we moved into my mother's home, and though I tell them every time they invite me to church, leave cards, presents, send letters saying they "need to know my status with the church, that I'm not interested in their religion at all in any way. Then they tell me I need to write a letter asking that my name be removed from their rolls--another way to keep in contact with me. I have heard if a woman sends a letter, it will be rejected saying it needs to be approved by the woman's husband. In one case, a friend sent a letter, and he received a response, you are still a member--you need to think about this. This is a religion that takes hostages. Why should I have to do anything? Any other religion would say, we hope some day you'll come back. I'm also told they don't want members leaving because then they can't count them in their member totals. I hope Mormons reading this will research the phrase "blind faith". To the owner of the site, I recently heard this in a church service--"A Prophet does not Speak on Behalf of Human Affinity." I would like to hear your comments on that statement.RatingCan't comment...that is an unusual statement...
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20-Dec-2009,
lori said:
All I can say is "You're an IDIOT". You bash Mormans, but you are cathelic and do not find your beliefs just as strange????? For instance, you think the father, the son, and holy ghost are one being????? how do you explain that??How can the father also be the son?? You really should concentrate on investigating your own religion!!Rating 
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14-Dec-2009,
Tom J said:
I'm always amazed at the time and energy spent by religious fanatics trying to disprove each other's beliefs. Not of it can be proved that is why it is called "Faith". Our time would be better spent trying to resolve the real problems of this world instead of trying to convince each other that the other person is wrong for what he/she "believes". Please read some of the works of practical philosophers such as John Dewey and John Sartre for an expanded world view because what if your belief is simply that...a beleif and nothing more.RatingYou raise an interesting point...we can't prove our religions correct. However, that does not preclude someone from proving a religion incorrect. My evidence, specifically with regard to the Book of Abraham proves that Smith was a fraud; hence, the religion he founded is not a valid religion.
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10-Dec-2009,
mark wilson said:
Forced to go to church as a child, like most of you who grew up in Mormon household I never could grasp the concept and never had this personal experience like so many other claim, it was just not there for me. Now as an athiest, reading the books and reasearch of others it all boils down to the money and dumbing down our society. I just watch the movie Zeigeist and it pretty much explains what I have felt all along, it's pure bull sh%%.Rating 
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08-Dec-2009,
Jacob said:
First of all, I think that this site is very well written, first of all with supported facts, but also with respect to the Mormon church. I don't think that any member of the Mormon church can say that the author is being rude or harsh. Anyways, I was going to respond to the comment from "Mormon girl" that said "only the true church would be attacked to the extent that the LDS church is attacked." I really don't understand how anyone can say that any one church is attacked the most. Most persecution comes in the form of anti-religion, not anti-mormonism or another church. The reason that you think that Mormonism is attacked the most is because you're the most aware of it, since it is what you choose to believe. I am Baptist. I would say that Baptists are attacked often, but you probably would disagree because you don't pay particular attention to the Baptist doctrine. I can understand that you are protecting your beliefs, but you might want to really think about your statements and the validity of what you are saying before you say it. I know it sounds harsh, but I can't think of a nicer way to express it. RatingExcellent point Jacob...and as far as persecuted peoples go, I think the Jews have all of us beat. The ironic thing is that so many Mormons point to "persecution" as evidence that they are right and others point to "many blessings" of being Mormon, as if either of those justify a religion. But when you don't have any real evidence to support your religion, I guess those have to do.
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04-Dec-2009,
Bob said:
The vast majority of your quotes are not from official church doctrine. They are the words of men voicing their own opinions about official church doctrine; official church doctrine is decided by the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles by unanimous. Therefore, anything else you may use to try to "disprove" Mormonism that has not been classified as official church doctrine is both misleading and wrong.RatingI acknowledge that "some" of your prophets statements are not accepted as church doctrine, but they clearly indicate a flaw in your claim that they are prophets. When true prophets of God speak with authority about God, they should not be spewing false doctrines...wouldn't you agree?
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06-Nov-2009,
lost tawny said:
just for your information we do pray to the same GOD as you do. unless you pray to mary, which i dont agree with. you do what is true in your heart and soul. MAY GOD BLESS YOU.RatingThe God I pray to is the ONLY God in the Universe. He is a trinitarian God, made up of 3 beings: the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. This is not the same God that Mormons pray to...see my Nature of God page.
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06-Nov-2009,
lost tawny said:
i am a convert to the LDS church, inactive because i am soul searching. i want to thank you for this web site, it has helped me a great deal. i do want to point out that some of the prophicies that you mentioned were not prophicies but just remarks. it would be like me sharing what i believe and then you turning around and saying that i proclaimed it true and correct. it is not the same. those were just his thoughts. i have asked alot of questions doubting the church. for the fact that i am human and not a perfect being. i still question some things in the church just as you may question things of the catholic church. i do not agree with most of the catholic beliefs but i will not say that you are wrong,for we are only man. i respect the time and effort you have put in to this site,but please look over some of the things that you have wrote for they are josephs thoughts and is not LDS doctrine. also any group of people with the same beliefs is a cult. so every church is a cult. May God bless all man kind.RatingReligions are generally considered cultish only if they adhere to extremist or false beliefs and maintain many secret practices. The Catholic Church is an open book, as most Christian faiths are, and that clearly separates most religions from the Mormon religion, where you have to be a card-carrying Mormon to enter the temple. Many practices are also kept secret from the public.
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01-Nov-2009,
Mormom girl said:
I agree with the comment from Molly Mormon. In addition, sites like this confirm my testimony of the LDS church as only the true church would be attacked to the extent the LDS church is. You have seemingly put considerable time and thought into this site. Perhaps you could put that time to better use. It is up to the individual to leave this church if they choose, but what I find interesting is people that leave can't leave it alone.RatingI've never been a Mormon, only had Mormon friends. All religions get attacked, so obviously getting attacked or persecuted does not make your religion correct. You are right that it is up to the individual to choose to leave, but they won't make that choice unless they have a compelling reason. I provide the information on my site so that Mormons can make an informed decision.
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31-Oct-2009,
James said:
Omg. Thank God I found your site. I completely agree with what you said. Mormon missionaries visited me and handed me The Book Of Mormon. They asked me read it and pray and ask God if it is true and that Joseph Smith was a prophet... Well, i read it throughout. Immediately I was shocked when i asked the missionaries that if Joseph Smith was prophet of God, why didn't he know where Jesus was born? BOM says Jesus was born in Jerusalem. Bible clearly says Bethlehem. I guess even a little child knows that Jesus was born in Bethlehem... Well, their answer was "Bethlehem is closer to Jerusalem...." I laughed and told them that Joseph Smith is just another false prophet.... Matt 7:15Rating 
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22-Oct-2009,
Tom said:
I just have one question. If Revelation from God for the world ended with the Bible, why would the Catholic Church hold a conference at Nicaea in 325 AD to vote on the nature of God? If all revelation ended how could they know for certain the truth about God's own nature without more revelation?RatingBecause it is hard to grasp the concept of the Trinity...which is why Mormons believe in many gods. Some in the early church did not believe Jesus was one with God, as he stated, so they had to study the scripture to determine the truth. The revelation was already done, the proper interpretation was not.
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22-Oct-2009,
Dot Ploggerf said:
Oh, and one more thing; I do believe that the "Old Religion" (Wicca, if you may), predated Christianity by a long shot.RatingLast time I checked, Wicca had nothing to do with Christ.
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22-Oct-2009,
Dot Plogger said:
I tend to wonder if if one has anything better to do with his time but to disprove one religion and let others stand. I was converted in 1990, i question some of the beliefs, but I also believe that the Catholic church has some things left to be desired. One of our Article of Faith is "We claim the privilege of worshipping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how,where,or what they may." I think that about covers it.RatingSee my Articles of Faith page for this specific reference.
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18-Oct-2009,
Claudia Kittel said:
I have looked at your whole site, and even though some of it comes from a Catholic perspective, that's really okay, because you are doing it from a Biblical point of view, and that is what is important. You have also opened my eyes to a fresh slant to approach them from. I applaud you.RatingI intentionally limited my references to the King James Version of the Bible (used by Mormons) and Mormon scripture to strengthen my arguments with Mormons.
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12-Oct-2009,
Brian said:
Okay. I have looked up all the references he has. They are correct. Right down to the scripture in both the BOM and the bible. Tehy contradict each other. Thank you good sir for exposing this cult for what it is. Let us lead our brother from the darkness and those lies and to the light. : )Rating 
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10-Oct-2009,
Giovanni said:
I'm sorry, but shouldn't you be concerned more about the hypocrisy of the Catholic Church and the crimes its leaders have perpetuated throughout the years? Had you been agnostic I would have approached your site with more interest, but the fact that you admit to be Catholic an want to save your Mormon brothers made you sound arrogant, proud, ignorant and definitely motivated by hate instead of Christlike love. Go confess your sins, to someone as human and sinful as you and then we'll talk about Mormonism.Yeah, you're pretty much all wrong!RatingJesus commanded his disciples to forgive people's sins...why would He empower them with that authority if we are supposed to ask God directly for forgiveness? Priests sin too, as all humans do, but they have the authority from God to hear our confessions and forgive us our sins.
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08-Oct-2009,
tiggrilla1 said:
as an Anglican I have experienced a God of love who loves all & is willing to risk the the Universe .Rating 
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03-Sep-2009,
zak k said:
whatever you may beleive lds members are very kind and generous always willing to serve thy neighbour and community worlwide and does not have a well known culture of inquisition and crusades and pedophiles.RatingThe Mormon people are very nice...I have many Mormon friends and I respect them a great deal. Being nice, however, does not make your religion valid. Nor does having some bad apples make an entire religion invalid. We are all sinners after all.
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01-Sep-2009,
molly mormon said:
thank you for this site, while I am a LDS I apreciate the opportunity to see what the "other" side has to say, and by using the references given test it for myself... some of them are misquoted btw.RatingI did have to correct one quote from Brigham Young that I'd attributed to Joseph Smith, but I don't believe there are any more mistakes...please be specific if you've found one.
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25-Jul-2009,
Andrew Long said:
I am very well pleased! I am a former Mormon cultist, and, by the grace of God, studied my way out of it almost two years ago. Thank you so much, brother, and may you continue to expose this "religion" for all it has hidden from the world. Rating 
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26-Jun-2009,
Moroni said:
Thank you for putting this site up, I want to guide our Mormon brothers to the truth.Rating 
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22-Jun-2009,
Joseph Antley said:
Though not one of the worst anti-Mormon sites out there, this website is still filled with the stereotypical anti-Mormon arguments that almost ultimately present a distorted or inaccurate view of Latter-day Saint beliefs.RatingPlease point to one specifically.
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16-Jun-2009,
Lexi said:
The morman bible does NOT disprove mormonism! You obviously don't know ANYTHING! Just shut up and stop being a loserish idiot who lies! RatingMaybe you should read my site, not just my ads.
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08-Jun-2009,
Melody Mott said:
I think that no matter what church you go to, we all beleive in GOD who is our heavnely father and the one that die for us all on the cross. I hate people that put other people down for what they beleive in. RatingThe god of the Mormons is not the same as the Christian God, which is not the same as Allah, or Buddha, or Ra. It is not the name of the god you worship that counts, but whether you are worshipping the correct God.